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[The_Jonas]

warthog, on 19 January 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

Bradshaw would probably fit in there too. I always listened to him talk and would wonder how smart you had to be to be a QB.

Oh man, Bradshaw is just... yeah. Thank you.

[Pissonoakland]

nathanKent, on 18 January 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:

I'm still not convinced he's done sucking either. Still, while it's not an absolute indicator, I just trust a smart guy's ability to comprehend a defense more than a dumb guy's.

Just cause someone's a dumbass doesn't mean they can't do their job. Take me for instance, I'm a huge dumbass but I'm totally awesome at what I do. There is such a thing as a functional dumbass.

I.E.

Big Ben is a moron. He doesn't even wear a helmet on his motorcycle despite already being in a nearly career ending accident once.....and he goes to super bowls all the time.

Ryan Fitzpatrick went to Harvard.......HARVARD!!! He watches Super Bowls on TV all the time

You can have the smart guy and I'll take Big Ben.

[Pissonoakland]

The_Jonas, on 19 January 2012 - 03:54 AM, said:

I've only once listened to a QB and said "This guy is way too f**kin' stupid to be an NFL QB" and that was Vince Young. He didn't sound stupid, he sounded like moron with a case of serious emotional arrested development.

I know a guy that was at an autograph signing with VY and he said Vince was signing footballs "2006 Ross Bowl MVP Vince Young" until someone finally told him he was misspelling "Rose"

[RazorChief]

Bradshaw once poked fun at himself by admitting that he wasn't the brightest bulb around but he admitted that he could count to four, as he showed off his Super Bowl Rings.

[The_Jonas]

Pissonoakland, on 19 January 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

Just cause someone's a dumbass doesn't mean they can't do their job. Take me for instance, I'm a huge dumbass but I'm totally awesome at what I do. There is such a thing as a functional dumbass.

I.E.

Big Ben is a moron. He doesn't even wear a helmet on his motorcycle despite already being in a nearly career ending accident once.....and he goes to super bowls all the time.

Ryan Fitzpatrick went to Harvard.......HARVARD!!! He watches Super Bowls on TV all the time

You can have the smart guy and I'll take Big Ben.

You know, the more we talk about this the more I'm coming to believe that being too smart is a liability.

[HG]

RazorChief, on 19 January 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

Bradshaw once poked fun at himself by admitting that he wasn't the brightest bulb around but he admitted that he could count to four, as he showed off his Super Bowl Rings.

WINNER!!!!

[BigRedChiefsMachine]

I don't really think it matters too much one way or the other. There are some pretty smart QB's out there that are/were great at the position. I just think with today's NFL/media, we get a lot more sound bites from the morons (watch NFL Network's gameday team if you need confirmation).

[nathanKent]

The_Jonas, on 19 January 2012 - 03:54 AM, said:

I think listening to someone in an interview is a poor way to gauge intelligence, especially enough to call them 'dumb'. I've heard Stanzi he he sounds like a typical meat-head QB. There is nothing atypical about him in that regard. Favre, Marino, Kelly... all f**king meat-heads. Meanwhile the smart guys like Joey Harrington aren't exactly having huge success.

I've only once listened to a QB and said "This guy is way too f**kin' stupid to be an NFL QB" and that was Vince Young. He didn't sound stupid, he sounded like moron with a case of serious emotional arrested development.

Again, after listening to Kelly and Marino I've come to believe that standard 'intelligence' is meaningless for a QB. Complete morons can write musical masterpieces too, and often do so better than the smart ones. Some people are just smart at certain things.

You're probably right to a certain degree. Intelligence can't compensate for lack of natural ability. Above all else, probably the greatest semi-measurable attribute a QB could have is vision. Not in the metaphorical sense either.... Just really solid hand-eye coordination, depth perception, peripheral vision, etc.

I'd still trust a Stanford guy to do a better job of memorizing a 400 page playbook than I would an LSU guy.

warthog, on 19 January 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

Bradshaw would probably fit in there too. I always listened to him talk and would wonder how smart you had to be to be a QB.

I'm not sure Bradshaw fits my description of a great QB.

Pissonoakland, on 19 January 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

Big Ben is a moron. He doesn't even wear a helmet on his motorcycle despite already being in a nearly career ending accident once.....

That's not intelligence though. That's wisdom. He knows he's safer with a helmet. He's just not wise enough to act on that knowledge.

[The_Jonas]

nathanKent, on 19 January 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

You're probably right to a certain degree. Intelligence can't compensate for lack of natural ability. Above all else, probably the greatest semi-measurable attribute a QB could have is vision. Not in the metaphorical sense either.... Just really solid hand-eye coordination, depth perception, peripheral vision, etc.

I'd still trust a Stanford guy to do a better job of memorizing a 400 page playbook than I would an LSU guy.

Considering barely anyone uses a playbook that big, I'm not really sure what your point is. Most teams run like 30 plays from various formations. The patriots run even fewer. So did Manning. I mean Manning, who may be the poster boy for 'smart QB's ran the most basic and simple offense in the entire NFL. You make memorizing a 400 page playbook sound much harder than it actually is for these guys, especially since the terminology that names the plays usually tells you exactly what all the routes in the play are.

I'm not sure Bradshaw fits my description of a great QB.

Okay

Also, IMO, the greatest attribute a QB can have is accuracy. It's not even close.

I'd place vision second. I've seen great QB's with very questionable vision. Vision, itself, is also largely a reflection of the work a QB does off the field. Brett Favre did not have good vision, nor did he strike me as being exceptionally intelligent. He had a really accurate and really powerful arm that allowed him to complete passes most QB's (including guys like Brees, Rogers, and Brady) could not even dream of completing.

[jambal67]

We'll have another QB before camp, that's for certain. There's no way the fans, Romeo, and the FO will ever let Tyler Palko back on the field. I think we'll see Cassel, Stanzi at #2, and a 2nd rounder holding the clipboard. I don't like that, but that might be the only way we'll ever see Stanzi on the field. Until that happens, we'll never know if we're good, need to draft again, or sign a FA.

[milkman]

nathanKent, on 19 January 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

I'm not sure Bradshaw fits my description of a great QB.

Terry Bradshaw is, by far, the most underrated QB ever, with Bart Starr a close second.

No one adapted to system changes through the years like Terry Bradshaw until Tom Brady.

While he always played in run oriented offenses, the passing game took on a larger role in that Steelers offense in the two later SB seasons than it played in the first two SB seasons.

He also consistently, through all the years, came up big in critical situations as much as Joe Montana did during his run, not including the "Immaculate Reception".

Through the years, there are only a handful of QBs that I've watched that I would want leading my team ahead of Terry Bradshaw.

[autodrummer]

lets not go after Kellen Moore after all. Everyone is comparing him to Palko.

[The_Jonas]

autodrummer, on 28 January 2012 - 12:19 AM, said:

lets not go after Kellen Moore after all. Everyone is comparing him to Palko.

Those people are morons.

If there is one thing that Moore is and NOBODY would question... is accurate. He's very accurate.

Palko? C'mon.

[milkman]

The_Jonas, on 28 January 2012 - 01:18 AM, said:

Those people are morons.

If there is one thing that Moore is and NOBODY would question... is accurate. He's very accurate.

Palko? C'mon.

They are comparing his arm strength to Palko's, and that seems an accurate comparison.

[The_Jonas]

milkman, on 28 January 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:

They are comparing his arm strength to Palko's, and that seems an accurate comparison.

Moore has a weak arm by NFL standards and it's what most likely will limit him in the NFL, but it's not as bad as Palkos.

Those people are exaggerating. Palko made Trent Green's arm strength look like Jeff George's.

There's a big differnce between a Trent Green/Jeff Garcia/Rich Gannon arm (which I think moore has) and Palko. JMO

[greatnessinc]

I get the impression Stanzi isn't ready, he couldn't beat Palko (who sucks ass).

[The_Jonas]

greatnessinc, on 28 January 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

I get the impression Stanzi isn't ready, he couldn't beat Palko (who sucks ass).

Charles couldn't beat our Dantrel Savage in 2009, but it wasn't because Savage was better.

[AssKickingBoots]

The_Jonas, on 28 January 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

Charles couldn't beat our Dantrel Savage in 2009, but it wasn't because Savage was better.

Right. Some of that clearly has to be the coaches. Another aspect is special teams, and Savage was a decent special teamer.

As bad as Palko was at his job, particularly physically, he had his head on straight. Now, we saw him crack under pressure whenever he did get to start, and there were some things he did that more talented QBs could get away with, but we have to remember Stanzi was a rookie.

The odds that Stanzi knew the playbook half as well as Palko are pretty slim. That isn't a knock on Stanzi, that's about the only advantage a journeyman, talentless QB could have in the NFL.

[Chi-town_Chief]

greatnessinc, on 28 January 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

I get the impression Stanzi isn't ready, he couldn't beat Palko (who sucks ass).

Until Haley was fired. After that he DID beat out Palko. Just not Orton.