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[BigRedChiefsMachine]

Looking to fill time before the draft talk and to get some insight into good coaches...

We just hired Romeo to lead this team (and remain in charge of the defense). We are still looking for an offensive coordinator from outside the current staff. There has been a lot of talk about needing an elite QB to compete at the highest level in the NFL - something I strongly believe in. But we often talk about "great" coaches and GM's as well.

So, the question is, if every team in the NFL had the same roster - who would you want to lead your offense/defense/team? This could be because you think they are great strategically - or otherwise (motivator, talent development, etc...). In other words, if you separate the coach from the roster, who are the best coaches in the NFL (head, OC, or DC) and why? Would Bill Belichick have the same reputation if he didn't have Tom Brady? Jeff Fisher was obviously a hot commodity this offseason, was that deserved? Would the Colts have had such a terrible season if Tony Dungy was there when they lost Manning?

This is something I really haven't thought that much about, I'd just like to hear any thoughts folks have about the strongest coaches out there. If you'd like to talk about terrible coaches, that's cool too.

[The_Jonas]

Current coaches?

Nobody gets more out of his team than Belichick.

The team always has glaring holes somewhere, and they still win. No secondary? Matt Cassel at QB? Plus he shows up to work dressed like a hobo, bangs the wives of his enemies, has been caught cheating, and is seemingly immune to criticism for all of this because he wins. He's a personal hero of mine.

For DC... even though this is bad timing after his terrible game-plan, is Lebeau. Innovative and creative DC in a league of imitators who consistently gets the most out of his talent. Loves to bring the heat, but is smart enough to know when to back it off. Fantastic 4 man rush packages. You never know where or how these guys will come. He makes a 4 man rush feel like a blitz.

OC? Sean Payton. Seriously. I know he's a head coach, but c'mon. He has fully unleashed the awesomeness of Drew Brees on the world, and he rides him like a smart coach should ride a great QB. He always utilizes players as they can best be utilized. I don't know of any other coach who puts guys in a better position to use whatever their skillset may be.

[BrooklynChiefsFan]

Romeo has a really nice knack for schooling big name QBs, and that would be helpful in the playoffs. He owned Peyton Manning. What he did to Rodgers and Big Ben this year was amazing. He also had a very respectable half against Tom Brady, and though Rivers didn't have his greatest year ever, we managed to kicks his ass twice. He also seems to adjust well, rarely getting burned twice in oen season by the same guy -- huge in division games and the playoffs. He doesn't blitz enough for my tastes though. And this is strictly speaking on him as a coordinator. Jury is out as a head coach.

Dick LeBeau is the easy choice on D overall, and Sean Payton is a genius too.

edit: i see jonas agrees.

[warthog]

Can Hue Jackson be an option?

[NOLA]

warthog, on 13 January 2012 - 05:04 PM, said:

Can Hue Jackson be an option?

For irony only.

[sekchiefsfan]

Belichick.

Everyone has their favorites though. Mine's Norv. Simply because he'll keep the Chargers mired in mediocrity as long as he's HC.

[autodrummer]

I think you have to have Belichick as HC. As Jonas said he has won with holes in every place except QB I guess.

Guy to watch for the Future though.......Jim Harbaugh. Dude pretty much has the same team they had last year and has won 13 games...with Alex smith.

[The_Jonas]

autodrummer, on 14 January 2012 - 03:41 AM, said:

I think you have to have Belichick as HC. As Jonas said he has won with holes in every place except QB I guess.

Guy to watch for the Future though.......Jim Harbaugh. Dude pretty much has the same team they had last year and has won 13 games...with Alex smith.

I'll give him a few more seasons, but what Harbaugh has done is pretty impressive. The D is dominant and the O doesn't make mistakes. Alex Smith is playing efficiently.

I think Brees is gonna give their D an unpleasant wake-up call tomorrow.

[autodrummer]

The_Jonas, on 14 January 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

I'll give him a few more seasons, but what Harbaugh has done is pretty impressive. The D is dominant and the O doesn't make mistakes. Alex Smith is playing efficiently.

I think Brees is gonna give their D an unpleasant wake-up call tomorrow.

I agree!

[BigRedChiefsMachine]

I like Harbaugh, but his situation might also speak to what kind of a coach Singletary was. That 49ers team has more talent than most in the league.

What about a guy like Mike McCarthy? or Tony Dungy? Dungy was regarded as such a strong coach, yet most of the years (in Indy) the offense was absolutely outstanding and the defense always seemed like the weak link - even though Dungy was a "defensive" coach.

[warthog]

The_Jonas, on 14 January 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

I think Brees is gonna give their D an unpleasant wake-up call tomorrow.

Yeah, the problem I have with the Niners and their 13-3 record and vaunted defense, is that they get to clean up against the NFC West (although one loss came to a division foe, it was a close one). They had some good wins this year, but that is a good cushion to have.

[The_Jonas]

BigRedChiefsMachine, on 14 January 2012 - 09:32 AM, said:

I like Harbaugh, but his situation might also speak to what kind of a coach Singletary was. That 49ers team has more talent than most in the league.

What about a guy like Mike McCarthy? or Tony Dungy? Dungy was regarded as such a strong coach, yet most of the years (in Indy) the offense was absolutely outstanding and the defense always seemed like the weak link - even though Dungy was a "defensive" coach.

The 49ers have had more talent than most of the league for a while. I don't think this year's group is much different than the group they've been trotting our for the past 3 years.

The main difference is that they stopped beating themselves with stupidity, and it certainly correlates with the arrival of Harbaugh.

[HG]

I got a feeling the Saints hit em hard and fast with Brees going down the field deep and dont give the Niners a chance to breathe

[BigRedChiefsMachine]

The_Jonas, on 14 January 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

The 49ers have had more talent than most of the league for a while. I don't think this year's group is much different than the group they've been trotting our for the past 3 years.

The main difference is that they stopped beating themselves with stupidity, and it certainly correlates with the arrival of Harbaugh.

That's what I meant though (that Singletary was doing a shitty job). Just think about all the high draft picks in SF, Gore, Vernon Davis, Patrick Willis, Justin Smith, etc.... In that division, they should be winning 12 games a year.

[NOLA]

HG, on 14 January 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

I got a feeling the Saints hit em hard and fast with Brees going down the field deep and dont give the Niners a chance to breathe

[The_Jonas]

BigRedChiefsMachine, on 14 January 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

That's what I meant though (that Singletary was doing a shitty job). Just think about all the high draft picks in SF, Gore, Vernon Davis, Patrick Willis, Justin Smith, etc.... In that division, they should be winning 12 games a year.

I don't think Gore was a very high draft pick. I think he was injured as a senior or something and it hurt his stock.

[AssKickingBoots]

The_Jonas, on 14 January 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

I don't think Gore was a very high draft pick. I think he was injured as a senior or something and it hurt his stock.

Yeah. Early 3rd round. I was thinking he was a 4th before I looked it up.

Also, Justin Smith was a FA pickup. Not sure if BRCM meant Aldon Smith or if he was including him since he was a 4th overall pick in 2001.

[The_Jonas]

AssKickingBoots, on 14 January 2012 - 08:31 PM, said:

Yeah. Early 3rd round. I was thinking he was a 4th before I looked it up.

Also, Justin Smith was a FA pickup. Not sure if BRCM meant Aldon Smith or if he was including him since he was a 4th overall pick in 2001.

I'm sure it's because he was a high draft pick, regardless of who drafted him..

[BigRedChiefsMachine]

I actually knew Gore wasn't a first round pick, I just meant that the 49ers' - with all the high round draft picks they've had, plus the good players they developed or picked up in FA like Gore or Justin Smith, have an incredible collection of players.

We beat the shit out of that team last season, what a difference the departure of Singletary and the arrival of Harbaugh made.

[warthog]

Well, the Niners impressed me. I never thought they would have it in them to respond late in the game, not just once, but twice. Each time I thought the Saints had the game won San Fran responded. They showed me a lot, Alex Smith showed me a lot. Wasn't there a time a few years ago that we had a chance to get him?