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Posted 09 January 2012 - 11:23 AM

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When I hear Kansas City Chiefs fans talking about the team’s needs heading into the 2012 season, offensive line is always near the top of the list.
I’ve heard folks say that Ryan Lilja sucks. Not true.
I’ve heard folks say that Casey Wiegmann is old and washed up. He’s old but he’s not washed up.
I’ve heard folks say that the Chiefs should have kept Brian Waters. That’s debatable.
I’ve heard folks say that Barry Richardson needs to be sent to the glue factory. Ok, those folks are right.
But the “problems” along the KC offensive line are not as deep as some might have you believe.

Let’s start with a couple of obvious things.
Barry Richardson is terrible and needs to be cut.
Casey Wiegmann can’t play forever and will likely retire. It is time to move on from him.
Rodney Hudson is a total unknown.
The Chiefs are extremely shallow on depth along the offensive line.
That is the bad news.
The good news is that all of those things can be corrected.
The Chiefs can find a right tackle in a number of ways. If they managed to win seven games with Barry Richardson, imagine what they could do with someone halfway decent? The Chiefs had the perfect RT on their roster already in Jared Gaither but thanks to Todd Haley and Bill Muir, he got run out of town. Scott Pioli is also not free of blame here. He’s the personnel guy and he is the one who cut Gaither.
Still, the Chiefs can likely find some suitable help in free agency or in the draft. This is a priority for sure but it is a manageable situation.
That brings us to the rest of the line. These poor guys have been criticized like crazy this year. The fact of the matter is, the four guys on the line not named Barry Richardson were pretty good this season.
Let’s start with pass protection. Richardson was obviously the fly in the ointment here. There were plenty of time when the line had a nice pocket that collapsed on Richardson’s side, forcing the QB into a defender that say, Ryan Lilja was blocking.
Yet, in pass protection, all the KC lineman save Richardon graded well according to Pro Football Focus.
Branden Albert received a +9.0 pass blocking grade on the season. That was 8th best grade in the NFL for a tackle, left or right. Elite numbers? No. Better than average? You bet.
Barry Richardson received a -17.1. Let’s not talk about him.
Moving on to guard, one of the players taking most of the heat this year was Ryan Lilja. I found this curious all season long because Lilja was one of the team’s best lineman in 2010.
This season he received a +1.3 pass blocking grade which is firmly in the middle of the pack. Totally average. Out of 77 guards, Lilja was the 34th best pass blocker.
Lilja’s 16 pressures were on the high side, however, he gave up only 3 in the team’s last five games. Probably not coincidentally, Kyle Orton was the QB in three of those games.
Lilja is not “terrible” and he does not “need to be replaced.” He needs to play a little better for sure but he also needs some help from his QB and coaching staff. But more on that later.
Next up is Jon Asamoah. Drafted to replace an aging Brian Waters, a lot of fans got very upset when he, you know, replaced an aging Brian Waters. This was compounded when Waters had a Pro Bowl season out in New England.
Waters did have a year. According to PFF, he was the best pass blocking guard in the NFL last season with a grade of +17.1.
Jon Asamoah?
He was 5th, with a grade of +13.1.
The difference?
Waters is a veteran player blocking for Tom Brady and Asamoah was seeing his first significant playing time in his second NFL season blocking for Matt Cassel, Tyler Palko and Kyle Orton.
Let’s not be naïve. With all due respect for Waters, let’s not pretend playing in front of one of the best QB’s in the history of the NFL didn’t have at least a little to do with his resurgence. If you think he would have had the same season in KC in 2011, you’re dreaming.
Now we move on to old man Wiegmann. The KC center graded as the 6th best pass blocking center in the NFL with a grade of +6.1. He was also one of only seven NFL centers not credited with giving up a sack.
In review, Branden Albert was a slightly above average pass protector, Jon Asomoah was a top five pass protector, Ryan Lilja was average and Casey Wieman was just outside the top five and didn’t relinquish a single sack. And Barry Richardson was terrible.
Where the line ran into problems this season, however, was when they tried to run block. Check out their rankings:
Wiegmann: -4.4 (26th out of 35)-Bad
Albert: -1.0 (32nd out of 76) –Average to slightly below
Asamoah: -12.3 (70th out of 77)-Bad
Lilja: -3.8 (40th out of 77)-Below average-bad
Richardson: -19.5 (76th out 76)-Worst in the NFL

Want to know something weird?
In 2010, Richardson’s run blocking grade was +2.5.
In 2010, Albert’s run blocking grade was +4.1.
In 2010, Lilja’s run blocking grade was +9.2. (5th best in the NFL)
In 2010, Brian Waters’ run blocking grade was -8.0.

Methinks Jamaal Charles may have had something to do with all this.
The fact that KC’s run blocking grades are poor this season is not a surprise at all. This is a zone blocking line. Zone blocking offensive lineman are supposed to be light and athletic. Their job is to get our in front of the runners to provide a crease. This style benefits runners like Jamaal Charles because he is not a big back. Thus the goal is to get him to the outside and get him there quickly, before the big defenders up front can react. Then it is off to the races.
In 2011, the Chiefs did not need a zone blocking line. They needed a power run blocking line. Jackie Battle is a back that would run best behind an offensive line like they have in Cleveland, not Kansas City. Thomas Jones is old and washed up.
This problem is why the Chiefs never fully committed to Battle as their feature back. They knew they would never be able to spring him on a consistent basis. Battle actually had a pretty remarkable season all things considered.
It should come as no shock that Dexter McCluster had the most success on a per-carry basis of all the KC running backs. McCluster is a Charles style runner, albeit far less talented. He averaged 4.4 yards per carry while Battle averaged 4.0 and Jones averaged 3.1.
I would venture to guess that with better personnel, the KC offensive line would be just fine. The Chiefs will likely get a bigger back to compliment Charles next year but he will be a guy that has enough speed hit get to the creases being provided by the offensive line. Thomas Jones no longer processed that speed in 2011 and the team suffered for it.
The offensive line certainly needs attention this offseason. There is little to no depth and a RT should be the top priority after QB.
Still, I believe Albert, Lilja and Asamoah are all going to be solid players for KC for the foreseeable future. Should Hudson work out as a center, then the Chiefs simply need a RT and depth.
The fact of the matter is, the QB and RB have a big impact on how an offensive line performs. Guys like Peyton Manning who get rid of the ball and rarely take sacks make their lines look good. Yet if somebody stinks along a line, regardless of who the QB is, you will notice. Richardson is a perfect example of that.
For those of you out there that think if the Chiefs had a brick wall instead of actual men blocking for their QB that Matt Cassel would be a perennial Pro Bowler, are living in the dark. Matt Cassel is what he is and no amount of blocking is going to make him be able to throw an accurate pass.
We often joke about Barry Richardson being the worst tackle in football. He was close, but in the end, he finished second to last.
The worst tackle in football was a guy by the name of Marshall Newhouse. Newhouse started 14 games and played 924 snaps.
For the Green Bay Packers.
The KC line is fine (save Richardson). What they need in Kansas City, is a QB.
What do you think Addicts? Should there be wholesale changes along the offensive line or has Chiefs Nation overreacted a bit in this area? Sound off.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 01:21 PM

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 02:26 PM

"Barry Richardson is terrible and needs to be cut.
Casey Wiegmann can’t play forever and will likely retire. It is time to move on from him.
Rodney Hudson is a total unknown.
The Chiefs are extremely shallow on depth along the offensive line."

Can this be corrected? yes! But the artcle itself said they were bad. Yet the problems are a myth? I think whoever wote this was a speech writer for John Kerry.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 02:32 PM

View PostHG, on 09 January 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

"Barry Richardson is terrible and needs to be cut.
Casey Wiegmann can’t play forever and will likely retire. It is time to move on from him.
Rodney Hudson is a total unknown.
The Chiefs are extremely shallow on depth along the offensive line."

Can this be corrected? yes! But the artcle itself said they were bad. Yet the problems are a myth? I think whoever wote this was a speech writer for John Kerry.

I think the point of the article was that the Oline was good with the exception of Barry. It didn't say Casey was bad, just that he is near the end and we need to start kicking the tires on Hudson. If we keep starting MC he is going to continue to make the O line look worse than it is.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 02:40 PM

TL;DR, but I do get the gist of it from the title. The two most important areas of a football team (besides a franchise QB) are the offensive and defensive lines. The game is won in the trenches and we can't be satisfied with just an adequate offensive line.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 02:43 PM

View PostHG, on 09 January 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

"Barry Richardson is terrible and needs to be cut.
Casey Wiegmann can’t play forever and will likely retire. It is time to move on from him.
Rodney Hudson is a total unknown.
The Chiefs are extremely shallow on depth along the offensive line."

Can this be corrected? yes! But the artcle itself said they were bad. Yet the problems are a myth? I think whoever wote this was a speech writer for John Kerry.

Here's what I know:

1. We have a better OL than several teams currently still playing in the post-season.

2. We don't have a QB better than any team currently playing in the post-season.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 02:50 PM

Who devised this grading system and on what was it based? Numbers can be made to mean anything.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 02:59 PM

View PostRazorChief, on 09 January 2012 - 02:50 PM, said:

Who devised this grading system and on what was it based? Numbers can be made to mean anything.

Just FYI, several NFL teams use PFF"s grades. You've expressed your distrust of them in the past, but as I explained... all teams are graded by the same people under the same criteria.

http://www.profootba.../about/grading/

Grading is always subjective, but these numbers are not smoke and mirrors created to make KC look good. These guys just graded us out there. It's what they say. You'd need smoke and mirrors for them to say otherwise.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 03:03 PM

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Just FYI, several NFL teams use PFF"s grades. You've expressed your distrust of them in the past, but as I explained... all teams are graded by the same people under the same criteria.

http://www.profootba.../about/grading/

Grading is always subjective, but these numbers are not smoke and mirrors created to make KC look good. These guys just graded us out there. It's what they say. You'd need smoke and mirrors for them to say otherwise.

I give this post an A

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 03:10 PM

View PostChi-town_Chief, on 09 January 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:


I give this post an A

Yanno what's funny?

I think their OL grades are especially subjective to the dynamics of the team itself.

For example... a good running back can make an entire OL 'suddenly' better at run blocking! QB's do the same thing. Teams like the Saints and Pats always have a great OL grade... usually one far exceeding their actual performance in pass protection. That's because of the QB.

If anything KC was harmed by the guys we had behind center.

People think KC's OL needs to play like we did against the Packers just to be successful and that's ridiculous. That was the 'perfect' game (no sacks, no pressures, no hits... only hit on orton was an unblocked blitzer... not the OL's fault). That rarely happens for anyone. That's a sign of an exceptional group to even happen during the season, it's insane to expect that kind of performance consistently.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 03:34 PM

Barry Richardson needs to be booted. Sadly its time for Casey to retire, (Very sad about this he is one of my favorites). And yes a good running game will help. I dont need smoke and mirrors to realize what I see in person.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 03:37 PM

View PostThe_Jonas, on 09 January 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:


Just FYI, several NFL teams use PFF"s grades. You've expressed your distrust of them in the past, but as I explained... all teams are graded by the same people under the same criteria.

http://www.profootba.../about/grading/

Grading is always subjective, but these numbers are not smoke and mirrors created to make KC look good. These guys just graded us out there. It's what they say. You'd need smoke and mirrors for them to say otherwise.

I haven't expressed distrust of PFF's grades or anyone's in the past. I just like an explanation as to what the numbers represent or on what they are based. Grades have to be based on something and I just like knowing what that something is.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 03:49 PM

View PostHG, on 09 January 2012 - 03:34 PM, said:

Barry Richardson needs to be booted. Sadly its time for Casey to retire, (Very sad about this he is one of my favorites). And yes a good running game will help. I dont need smoke and mirrors to realize what I see in person.

I do agree that Richardson needs to go, and we should be grooming Casey's replacement (Hudson) in preparation for when he is ready to retire, but I don't think we should be shoving him out the door until Hudson proves he is the best option. I also don't get the concept of seeing it in person being better than scouring hours of game tape and being able to play/replay each snap to grade teams out.

No disrespect HG, but 8 games of the year you are subject to seeing all 22 players on each snap once, live, and from a corner/end zone view. How are your eyes more capable of evaluating the o-line? While I love going to KC to see games in person, I take in a whole lot more watching on TV at home. The "I know what I see" argument for people who go to the games doesn't hold a lot of water. It's fun as hell, but unless you are at the 50 and elevated I feel like a lot of the finer points get lost in the mix...nevermind the emotion of being at Arrowhead on top of everything else.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 04:11 PM

Well when the snaps happen close to our endzone and Im a big fan of line play. (Nuthing better then watching the dline and oline crash into each other) Its part of the game I really enjoy/ Someone closing a gap or makin a hole. or pancaking someone. And believe me Im in no hurry to see Casey go. But its gonna happen pretty quick. and sadly (I could be wrong about this) But I think Casey was left in to add to the streak. I really hate sayig that. But I think we needed to play Hudson a bit.

And to be fair some of it is observing whats going on when the whistle has blown and the TV is showing a replay or the camera is ponted elsewhere. There have been quite a few times where I have seen something and talked anout it with RazorChief at the game then gone home wanting to see more of it and the camera moved with the back or the wideout. Which is not a problem and it covers the action. But It just didnt show the view I saw. And I thin David can agree with me on that point

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 05:10 PM

View PostRazorChief, on 09 January 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:


I haven't expressed distrust of PFF's grades or anyone's in the past. I just like an explanation as to what the numbers represent or on what they are based. Grades have to be based on something and I just like knowing what that something is.

Well, now you know. :)

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 05:21 PM

View PostThe_Jonas, on 09 January 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:


Well, now you know. :)

In the course of my (long) teaching career I have become very familiar with validity and reliability data and how it is used, and for norms and such when analyzing sample populations. My question remains--who is PFF and who set them up as the standard of measurement? I did notice that they themselves acknowledge a degree of subjectivity in their usage. Anytime I see numbers, such as a poll for politicians, etc., I immediately go for sample size, makeup, etc. and the bias of those constructing the sample.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 07:00 PM

I sure noticed a HUGE diffenence when Cassel was in there, and when Orton was under center. I now firmly believe that Cassel made the line look ALOT worse than it is.

I would love to see a proven tackle brought in via free agency to replace richardson, and a swing tackle and interior lineman either drafted or signed in free agency.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 07:18 PM

Given me a good right tackle and i will shut up.


























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Posted 09 January 2012 - 09:29 PM

View PostRazorChief, on 09 January 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:


In the course of my (long) teaching career I have become very familiar with validity and reliability data and how it is used, and for norms and such when analyzing sample populations. My question remains--who is PFF and who set them up as the standard of measurement? I did notice that they themselves acknowledge a degree of subjectivity in their usage. Anytime I see numbers, such as a poll for politicians, etc., I immediately go for sample size, makeup, etc. and the bias of those constructing the sample.

It's simply a system of grading that, again, has become popular because both coaches and players find it to be an incredibly accurate analysis of performance. You're talking about a group of guys that analyze every single player and every single play from every single game.

Now you went from wanting to know 'what standards they use" (which I provided) to "Who are PFF" (Now you want names and background checks?) and 'What made them the standard" (nobody said they were).

It's popularity is a reflection of it's accuracy... not because someone 'set them up' in that position.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 09:30 PM

View PostHG, on 09 January 2012 - 07:18 PM, said:

Given me a good right tackle and i will shut up.


























for a day or two
Everyone wants Barry Richardson to go away. Even PFF has him graded at the bottom.

If we had an average right tackle we'd have been #1 in PBE. That's what I've been saying all season long.. our OL doesn't suck. Barry Richardson does.




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