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[BigRedChiefsMachine]

I know it's not likely, but it would be very cool to have those two go in together. Both are worthy, although I have my doubts Shields gets in on the first ballot.

See the competition:

http://profootballta...fame-finalists/

All 17 finalists:

Jerome Bettis – Running Back – 1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers

Tim Brown – Wide Receiver/Kick Returner – 1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Jack Butler – Cornerback – 1951-59 Pittsburgh Steelers

Cris Carter – Wide Receiver – 1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins

Dermontti Dawson – Center – 1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers

Edward DeBartolo, Jr. – Owner – 1977-2000 San Francisco 49ers

Chris Doleman – Defensive End/Linebacker – 1985-1993, 1999 Minnesota Vikings, 1994-95 Atlanta Falcons, 1996-98 San Francisco 49ers

Kevin Greene – Linebacker/Defensive End – 1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams, 1993-95 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1996, 1998-99 Carolina Panthers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers

Charles Haley – Defensive End/Linebacker – 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys

Cortez Kennedy – Defensive Tackle – 1990-2000 Seattle Seahawks

Curtis Martin – Running Back – 1995-97 New England Patriots, 1998-2005 New York Jets

Bill Parcells – Coach – 1983-1990 New York Giants, 1993-96 New England Patriots, 1997-99 New York Jets, 2003-06 Dallas Cowboys

Andre Reed – Wide Receiver – 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins

Willie Roaf – Tackle – 1993-2001 New Orleans Saints, 2002-05 Kansas City Chiefs

Will Shields – Guard – 1993-2006 Kansas City Chiefs

Dick Stanfel – Guard – 1952-55 Detroit Lions, 1956-58 Washington Redskins

Aeneas Williams – Cornerback/Safety – 1991-2000 Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals, 2001-04 St. Louis Rams

[jambal67]

Wow, tough class there. I don't see any way both Shields and Roaf make it this year. I'd probably have to choose Roaf, Charles Haley, Kennedy, and Greene. I don't ever worry about owners and coaches. I rarely support any nominee that has played with the following teams: Oakland, Denver, the Redskins and Eagles, Vikings, or any team from New Jersey.

[The_Jonas]

jambal67, on 07 January 2012 - 02:29 PM, said:

Wow, tough class there. I don't see any way both Shields and Roaf make it this year. I'd probably have to choose Roaf, Charles Haley, Kennedy, and Greene. I don't ever worry about owners and coaches. I rarely support any nominee that has played with the following teams: Oakland, Denver, the Redskins and Eagles, Vikings, or any team from New Jersey.

I dunno... Kennedy and Haley and all that are great and I know Guards don't get any run...

But Will Shields was better at his position than any of those guys were at theirs. He was the best interior linemen I've ever seen.

[jambal67]

Shields will be a HOF'er, just not this year. You are correct, one of the best I've ever seen as well.That sweep he lead was a thing of beauty.

[The_Jonas]

jambal67, on 07 January 2012 - 02:36 PM, said:

Shields will be a HOF'er, just not this year. You are correct, one of the best I've ever seen as well.That sweep he lead was a thing of beauty.

No doubt watching Will Shields pancaked a guy on the LOS BEFORE he pulls and takes out 2 linebackers with one block...

Yeah, I saw Will Shields take 3 guys out of a play more than once... per season. I remember one game he was taking 2-3 guys out on every running play. It was against the Chargers and I think it was 2002. I just remember watching our offense and I could not stop watching 68. Priest had the good life that day.

[HG]

Well it might be simpler to select who doesnt belong on the list. My choice is "Edward DeBartolo, Jr. – Owner – 1977-2000 San Francisco 49ers"

[The_Jonas]

HG, on 07 January 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

Well it might be simpler to select who doesnt belong on the list. My choice is "Edward DeBartolo, Jr. – Owner – 1977-2000 San Francisco 49ers"

This one literally made me laugh out loud.

[chiefsfaninky]

jambal67, on 07 January 2012 - 02:29 PM, said:

Wow, tough class there. I don't see any way both Shields and Roaf make it this year. I'd probably have to choose Roaf, Charles Haley, Kennedy, and Greene. I don't ever worry about owners and coaches. I rarely support any nominee that has played with the following teams: Oakland, Denver, the Redskins and Eagles, Vikings, or any team from New Jersey.

I can agree with all but Kennedy. Id take Will or Dermonti Dawson before Cortiz.

[BigRedChiefsMachine]

Just a reminder, we'll find out who gets in the 2012 HOF class tomorrow.

http://sports.yahoo....g=ap-halloffame

[BigRedChiefsMachine]

Roaf got in, along with Jack Butler, Dermontti Dawson, Chris Doleman, Cortez Kennedy, and Curtis Martin. Congrats to Roaf, he's clearly deserving.

On an aside, it's blatantly obvious Will Shields did not make it this year solely for the reason it was his first time on the ballot. He didn't even make it to the final 10.

http://profootballta...hall-of-famers/

[The_Jonas]

BigRedChiefsMachine, on 04 February 2012 - 07:04 PM, said:

Roaf got in, along with Jack Butler, Dermontti Dawson, Chris Doleman, Cortez Kennedy, and Curtis Martin. Congrats to Roaf, he's clearly deserving.

On an aside, it's blatantly obvious Will Shields did not make it this year solely for the reason it was his first time on the ballot. He didn't even make it to the final 10.

http://profootballta...hall-of-famers/

Curtis Martin goes in while Chris Carter has to keep waiting?

Ridiculous imo. Martin was a good back for a long time, but he was never one of the elite. He got his yards 75 yards a game at 4.0 yards per carry. He was durable though.

[warthog]

I felt the same way when I saw that, Curtis Martin? That selection alone kind of cheapens the Hall. No way he ever get s in if he plays the majority of his career in KC, Indy, or Minnesota.

On Roaf, eh, I would rather a true Chief like Shields make it, that would have been exciting, just cant get too excited over someone that retired a Saint.

[BigRedChiefsMachine]

I have nothing against Roaf. He came here and was a great player. He only played 4 seasons here, and 9 in NO.

I knew Shields wasn't getting in because it was his first year - I'm still pissed though. Just a point of reference-

Will Shields (1993-2006): 12 Pro Bowls, 9 All-Pro teams, 2003 NFL Man of the Year, 223 consecutive starts (5-best streak all time)

Willie Roaf (1993-2005): 11 Pro Bowls, 9 All-Pro teams

Curtis Martin (1995-2005): 5 Pro Bowls, 5 All-Pro teams, 4th in NFL rushing yards (14,101), 3rd in NFL carries (3,518), Career average 4.0 ypc (season range 3.3 - 4.6)

Cortez Kennedy (1990-2000): 8 Pro Bowls, 4 All-Pro teams

Chris Doleman (1985-1999): 8 Pro Bowls, 5 All-Pro teams, 4th in all-time sacks (150.5)

[nathanKent]

I'm not as down on the Martin selection as you guys. I don't think you can keep a guy out when he has those kind of numbers, regardless of the manner in which they were earned. Having said that, he doesn't deserve to go in ahead of Shields or Carter.

[The_Jonas]

nathanKent, on 05 February 2012 - 05:56 PM, said:

I'm not as down on the Martin selection as you guys. I don't think you can keep a guy out when he has those kind of numbers, regardless of the manner in which they were earned. Having said that, he doesn't deserve to go in ahead of Shields or Carter.

I'm not totally against Martin either.

I'm totally against Martin going in over Carter. Carter was never the best WR in the NFL (playing with Jerry Rice does that) but he was often the 2nd and 3rd best WR in the game. He was elite. I'm totally against Martin going in over Shields.

Then again, I was against Monk and Martin is basically the Art Monk of running backs. Never spectacular, but consistent with a long career. He was never a top 5 RB in the NFL though, which kinda makes it hard for me to think he deserves to be in there. The only RB who should get in this fast is Tomlinson.

[BigRedChiefsMachine]

Yeah, it's not that I'm against Martin, but it was his second year of eligibility. The guy was a model of durability/consistency, at a tough position. He's the type of guy that you put in on a slow year. I think of it like this, how many guards were better in NFL history than Will Shields? How many RB's were better than Curtis Martin?

[The_Jonas]

BigRedChiefsMachine, on 05 February 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

Yeah, it's not that I'm against Martin, but it was his second year of eligibility. The guy was a model of durability/consistency, at a tough position. He's the type of guy that you put in on a slow year. I think of it like this, how many guards were better in NFL history than Will Shields? How many RB's were better than Curtis Martin?

In NFL history?

How many guards were better than Will Shields during his career? None.

How many RB's were better than Martin during his career? I mean honestly I can probably think of 20 guys who played during his career who were better RB's, but many of them didn't have the kind of longevity that Martin did.