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[warthog]

This is the closest we've been to March without a lot of threads speculating on who the Chiefs will draft first. Usually those threads are real active now and people are in down and out fights over who they want. The year I was advocating selecting Matt Ryan for our first pick got a lot of negative reaction, that was wild.

It is probably because we draft so late in the first round that anyone we guess at for our first pick will be just that, a guess. At least when we were in the first five picks we somewhat knew who we had a chance of getting.

So who do you think we will end up with and if that is to hard to pin down, what position will we address first?

[Los Pollos Hermanos]

Everyone knows that Ryan's TD/INT ratio was terrible and that he is a for sure bust.

[Los Pollos Hermanos]

I think the Chiefs two biggest needs are WR and NT. I hope they address both of those positions in the draft.

[milkman]

DallasChief, on 25 February 2011 - 09:51 AM, said:

I think the Chiefs two biggest needs are WR and NT. I hope they address both of those positions in the draft.

They are, but questions surrounding Phil Taylor might have the Chiefs shy away from him to fill the need for NT, and unless someone unexpected drops, there won't be a WR that we'd want to take at #21.

I'd look for the Chiefs to draft an OLB or a RT in the first, and look for NT and WR in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

I'd expect it to look something like this.

21. Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin
55.Brooks Reed, OLB, Arizona
86.Jerrell Powe, DT, Ole Miss
117.Greg Little, WR, North Carolina

I would also think should Chris Ponder be there in the second, they'd take a flyer on him, or Andy Dalton be there in the fifth, he'd be a guy they take a long hard look at.
Might even do it as early as the fourth.

[AssKickingBoots]

warthog, on 25 February 2011 - 09:01 AM, said:

This is the closest we've been to March without a lot of threads speculating on who the Chiefs will draft first. Usually those threads are real active now and people are in down and out fights over who they want. The year I was advocating selecting Matt Ryan for our first pick got a lot of negative reaction, that was wild.

Not that I'm trying to open up old wounds, but I'd like to point out that just because Ryan succeeded in Atlanta doesn't mean anything for how well he'd have done here. Including changes they made that same offseason, Atlanta easily had a better line, a better RB, better defense, and most importantly a far better coach. He wouldn't have had much to work with here, and confidence has a ton to do with the development of a QB. That's the main thing I was arguing at the time, we needed to build up our lines before throwing a QB to the wolves.

Of course, you were mostly talking about nK anyway.

Back to the question at hand, our biggest needs are NT, RT, and WR. Now, of those positions, NT is the most important. Depending upon how Phil Taylor's stock moves, I doubt there'll be a 1st round worthy NT. RT is a need seldom addressed in the 1st round, but I could certainly see it happening.

I think people are underplaying the likelihood that we'll pick a wideout with our 1st rounder. I could see Maryland's Torrey Smith in Red and Gold seeing how he's a solid deep threat and great kick returner. I'm a firm believer in bringing in new blood at kick returner every year or two. Very few guys have long, illustrious returning careers.

Outside of that, I could also see the best player available being a 'tweener OLB like Missouri's Aldon Smith or UCLA's Akeem Ayers. I think the coaching staff would like to try out Cameron Sheffield and Studebaker, but I don't think they're afraid to pick the top player on their board.

[jambal67]

My thoughts are we need a RT and C real bad, so I'd like to see Carimi be our 1st rounder with Pouncey as a Plan B. I still think either Sheffield or Stude could be a force at OLB.

[EstablishedAce]

Anthony Castonzo - OT, BC
Stefen Wisniewski - C, Penn State
Ryan Kerrigan - OLB/DE, Purdue
Torrey Smith - WR, Maryland

All four of these guys were team captains and are known as high character, hard working guys. They all also fill a need and should be available when we pick at 21.

Smith may be considered a reach and Pioli doesn't exactly have a track record of drafting WRs this high but he didn't have a track record for taking safetys high either.

I wouldn't be surprised if one of these four are our first choice in April.

[AssKickingBoots]

Not trying to be a Mizzou homer, but I could see us picking up Tim Barnes in the 4th round for Center if Wiegmann isn't retiring ithis offseason. I don't know if we should count on him being a rookie starter though.

And as far as Pioli's track record, I think that (especially with the 1st round pick) he goes Best Player Available most of the time. Or at least best player that fills some kind of need.

[EstablishedAce]

AssKickingBoots, on 27 February 2011 - 08:04 AM, said:

Not trying to be a Mizzou homer, but I could see us picking up Tim Barnes in the 4th round for Center if Wiegmann isn't retiring ithis offseason. I don't know if we should count on him being a rookie starter though.

And as far as Pioli's track record, I think that (especially with the 1st round pick) he goes Best Player Available most of the time. Or at least best player that fills some kind of need.

I've thought about Barnes also. He is about the right size for what Pioli looks for in a interior lineman, the only question would be is he athletic enough for some of the zone blocking stuff that we do. I honestly don't know, I haven't read much about him.

I think your right about the best player available. That actually makes this years draft even more exciting because we really have no idea where were are going.

EDIT: Just took a quick look at his profile on Cbs.com and they basically listed a lack of athleticism as his only weakness. Heavy feet was what they called it.

[EstablishedAce]

I've been doing a little research, looking for "Pioli guys". Team captains, hard working, versatility, etc.

Here is a small list that I have come up with so far of guys who could be selected after the first round.

Jake Kirkpatrick - C, TCU
Jerrell Powe - NT, Ole Miss
Cliff Matthews - DE/OLB, South Carolina
Justin Rogers - CB, Richmond
DeMarcus Love - OL, Arkansas
Rodney Hudson - OG, Florida State
Pierre Allen - DE/OLB, Nebraska
Kelvin Sheppard - ILB, LSU

I'll try to keep updating this list.

[EstablishedAce]

Also, another guy I am really starting to like is Delone Carter. This guy appears to be the second coming of Thomas Jones.

He is listed at 5'9 222 lbs. Ran a 4.5 40 at the combine today. Powerful, between the tackles type of runner.

[EstablishedAce]

milkman, on 25 February 2011 - 10:39 AM, said:

They are, but questions surrounding Phil Taylor might have the Chiefs shy away from him to fill the need for NT, and unless someone unexpected drops, there won't be a WR that we'd want to take at #21.

I'd look for the Chiefs to draft an OLB or a RT in the first, and look for NT and WR in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

I'd expect it to look something like this.

21. Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin
55.Brooks Reed, OLB, Arizona
86.Jerrell Powe, DT, Ole Miss
117.Greg Little, WR, North Carolina

I would also think should Chris Ponder be there in the second, they'd take a flyer on him, or Andy Dalton be there in the fifth, he'd be a guy they take a long hard look at.
Might even do it as early as the fourth.

Either Carimi or Castonzo would be great picks to solidify the right side of our line. Their slighty different players in that Carimi's strength would be run blocking where as Castonzo's is pass protection but I would be happy with either one.

I don't think Dalton will last anywhere near the 5th. His stock keeps going up and I have even seen him going as high as the second.

Watching the combine today, Stephen Paea put out 49 reps on the bench press (new record). He isn't the prototypical 3-4 NT in terms of size, he's listed at 6'1 306 I believe, but he is nearly impossible to move off of the line. His weight room strength translates to the field and the way he takes on double teams make me think that he could be a force at nose despite being undersized. He is a guy to keep an eye on.

[jambal67]

EstablishedAce, on 27 February 2011 - 03:30 PM, said:

Either Carimi or Castonzo would be great picks to solidify the right side of our line. Their slighty different players in that Carimi's strength would be run blocking where as Castonzo's is pass protection but I would be happy with either one.
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Most of the mock drafts I've seen have Carimi coming as our RT, but I've also seen Castonzo as our #1. t like Carimi a little better mostly due to our ground game, but I'd be cool with either. I still have a concern about our C as Casey may bail on us and we really don't want to see Rudy back there, do we? Do we have anyone on the roster that could do that? I know Harris has tried and Waters could move over there, but we really don't know if Waters will be back, either.
My personal opinion is the labor dispute will be short-lived, if there even is one. Scott, get on the phone. I really don't care if you use AT&T, Sprint, T-maybe,, or the Devil, just start calling around.

[milkman]

jambal67, on 03 March 2011 - 04:35 PM, said:

Most of the mock drafts I've seen have Carimi coming as our RT, but I've also seen Castonzo as our #1. t like Carimi a little better mostly due to our ground game, but I'd be cool with either. I still have a concern about our C as Casey may bail on us and we really don't want to see Rudy back there, do we? Do we have anyone on the roster that could do that? I know Harris has tried and Waters could move over there, but we really don't know if Waters will be back, either.
My personal opinion is the labor dispute will be short-lived, if there even is one. Scott, get on the phone. I really don't care if you use AT&T, Sprint, T-maybe,, or the Devil, just start calling around.

As a redshirt sophmore, Harris played several games at center.
In his career at Mississippi, he played every line position.

He is the most versatile O-Lineman on the Chiefs roster.

I believe that given the opportunity, he coule well be the answer at center.

He has good hands and gets good leverage, and he has the mobility that is required for a center in a ZBS.

I think the Chiefs like his versatility though, and intend to use him as depth all across the line.
But that's mere speculation on my part.

[EstablishedAce]

Stumbled on a guy today that sounds like he could be a late round project at center.

Jason Kelce, 6'3 282, Cincinnati.

Compares in size to Wiegmann who is listed at 6'2 285. From what I have read his strengths are lateral quickness, good knee bend, gets good angles on bootlegs and stretch plays, and he does a good job of fighting off double teams to get to the second level.

His weakness' would obviously start with his small frame, not a great drive blocker, and doesn't have elite straight-line speed.

He offers toughness and leadership and a ZBS seems to be what fits him best.

[AssKickingBoots]

EstablishedAce, on 07 March 2011 - 03:04 PM, said:

Stumbled on a guy today that sounds like he could be a late round project at center.

Jason Kelce, 6'3 282, Cincinnati.

Compares in size to Wiegmann who is listed at 6'2 285. From what I have read his strengths are lateral quickness, good knee bend, gets good angles on bootlegs and stretch plays, and he does a good job of fighting off double teams to get to the second level.

His weakness' would obviously start with his small frame, not a great drive blocker, and doesn't have elite straight-line speed.

He offers toughness and leadership and a ZBS seems to be what fits him best.

He'd fit our scheme fine, but I think we're going to need someone with more size. Not that I'm hung up on getting a big dude, it's just we face two 3-4 defensive teams in our division, and I think the AFC has more 3-4 teams than 4-3 anymore. I'd like to get someone who could go one-on-one at times against a NT. Just saying.

Of course, finding someone with that size AND the mobility for a ZBS is going to be... problematic.

[SoCalChiefsFan]

DallasChief, on 25 February 2011 - 09:51 AM, said:

I think the Chiefs two biggest needs are WR and NT. I hope they address both of those positions in the draft.

I think Linebacker/ O-Line are deeper and much more talented at their respective positions this year then WR and NT for our first round pick. Jonathan Baldwin, Torrey Smith at WR and Phil Taylor at NT are the only 3 I see being available for our pick in the 1st round and I wouldn't select any of them till the 2nd round. I'd rather get guys like Akeem Ayers, Gabe Carimi, Anthony Castonzo, Stefen Wisniewski, Danny Watkins, Ryan Kerrigan, Martez Wilson, or Aldon Smith. A pass rusher or an O-Lineman. O-line looks pretty deep this year and so does the DE/OLB type for 3-4 defenses. We could easily get a quality starter opposite Hali or find Wiegmann's replacement, just for a few examples.

I also think this is the year we draft another QB too. Although Cassel has performed better then expected (for me that is) Croyle is gone and Palko is garbage. A guy like Andy Dalton, Christan Ponder, or Pat Devlin would be nice to get.

[SoCalChiefsFan]

http://sports.yahoo....to_keep_rb_bush

• While private workouts with prospects are commonplace in the weeks leading up to the draft, the Chiefs' scheduled workout with TCU QB Andy Dalton is particularly intriguing. Following a successful pro day that likely vaulted his draft stock quite a bit, Dalton is slated to perform privately for at least a half-dozen teams. Kansas City's interest, however, could indicate that the club is ready to move on from backup QB Brodie Croyle, who struggled in 2010 and is scheduled to hit the free-agent market. While signalcaller is not atop the Chiefs' offseason priority list, they learned the importance of having a competent No. 2 QB when Matt Cassel missed time last season.


Just read this today, I'm glad to hear "drafting" and "qb" in the same sentence once again for KC lol. Maybe we can finally get it right this time and have a quality backup.