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[nathanKent]

http://www.homeofthe...-review-part-1/

[mdchiefsfan]

It's all about perspective.

The way I see it is Haley cut all of these players to prove a point. There's a new sheriff in town. My way or the Highway. I see no harm in stating a team is in the rebuilding process to the public and literally rebuilding from the foundation up. He never once promised more than we got, it's just a fact of football... we get a new coach, you hope for the best, then when it doesn't happen the few mistakes made (cutting Pollard) really are highlighted. I am able to view alot of these "bad choices" (trading Tony) as an extra pick in one of the deepest drafts in history. We get a flux of young players to develop with this youthful franchise.

Now I am not saying there weren't faults. Taking on the responsibility of the offense two weeks before the regular season begins is unadvised to say the least. But if we hadn't, would our team be as acclimated to our offense as they will be this year without that occurring? And in regards to losing that offense. If I saw another unsuccessful screen pass or off play action ran on 3rd and long I was going to make Arrowhead a sea of Gailey's red blood. It was something that was going to happen eventually (firing of Gailey)... Why not rip the band-aid off as opposed to slowly pulling it away?

2009 was a wake up call to the ones, who are on contract to be a Chief. You want to play you earn it. Take note of how people arrived in shape (thanks again Warthog) this year because of last years efforts to nip it in the butt. This is solid evidence that what Haley began to implement into the Chiefs is coming to fruition.

What I am getting at is last year was a failure, that much I agree with. But there is only one team that succeeds in the NFL the rest fail. 2009 was painful. There is no questioning that. But what makes a team isn't last years record, it's how you respond to last years losses with this years opportunity. We have signed a surprising cast of veteran players who are still able to contribute to this team. Certain players want to be a part of something special. Players like Jones, Lilja, and Weigmann realizing that something special in 2010 was going to be in KC is a testament to what direction we are moving.

There are more ways to win than getting a W in the Win Column. We realized how ineffective Johnson was to this team, therefore paving the way for Jamaal Charles to show his true potential. We managed to pick up Chambers off of waivers which seems to be one of the deciding factors in him signing this year as a FA. We now have a full year of this offensive scheme under our belts as well as playing the 3-4. We gained one of the most elite coaching staffs in the history of the sport. This could go for a while.

So in closing, yes 4-12 is a rough patch. But I feel we gained much more in 12 losses than what the 4 wins provided last season. It was a great read and I truly understand your perspective. But that's the beauty of it, it's all about perspective.

[warthog]

Yes, Haley seems to have taken a strategy right out of the Japanese prison guards playbook. In WWII, whenever a new group of Allied prisoners would arrive, the Japanese would single out one prisoner to kill in front of the other prisoners to strike fear in them and consolidate power.

[mdchiefsfan]

warthog, on 31 March 2010 - 07:53 AM, said:

Yes, Haley seems to have taken a strategy right out of the Japanese prison guards playbook. In WWII, whenever a new group of Allied prisoners would arrive, the Japanese would single out one prisoner to kill in front of the other prisoners to strike fear in them and consolidate power.

lol... I always wondered how they chose the person that was to die. I think I could be good at choosing.

[mdchiefsfan]

mdchiefsfan, on 31 March 2010 - 11:19 AM, said:

double post

[The_Jonas]

mdchiefsfan, on 31 March 2010 - 03:47 AM, said:

It's all about perspective.

The way I see it is Haley cut all of these players to prove a point. There's a new sheriff in town. My way or the Highway. I see no harm in stating a team is in the rebuilding process to the public and literally rebuilding from the foundation up. He never once promised more than we got, it's just a fact of football... we get a new coach, you hope for the best, then when it doesn't happen the few mistakes made (cutting Pollard) really are highlighted. I am able to view alot of these "bad choices" (trading Tony) as an extra pick in one of the deepest drafts in history. We get a flux of young players to develop with this youthful franchise.

My problem here is how close Haley came to cutting our best offensive player. Charles was 4th on the DC and BARELY made this roster. Had we kept 3 running backs, Charles was probably the one who would have been gone. Haley favored battle for the 2 spot and favored Savage over Charles. It wasn't even until those two were on IR that we gave him the ball and he showed what he can do. What I"m getting at is you better be careful when you cut talented players to 'prove a point'.

Now I am not saying there weren't faults. Taking on the responsibility of the offense two weeks before the regular season begins is unadvised to say the least. But if we hadn't, would our team be as acclimated to our offense as they will be this year without that occurring? And in regards to losing that offense. If I saw another unsuccessful screen pass or off play action ran on 3rd and long I was going to make Arrowhead a sea of Gailey's red blood. It was something that was going to happen eventually (firing of Gailey)... Why not rip the band-aid off as opposed to slowly pulling it away?

Meh, Gailey seems to take a lot of crap he doesn't deserve. Solari ran a terrible offense with better talent for 2 seasons. Gailey came in and we moved the ball and scored touchdowns with Tyler Thigpen as QB. LJ was actually averaging OVER four yards per carry. Haley is the one I saw running tons of draw plays on 3rd and long, not Gailey.

2009 was a wake up call to the ones, who are on contract to be a Chief. You want to play you earn it. Take note of how people arrived in shape (thanks again Warthog) this year because of last years efforts to nip it in the butt. This is solid evidence that what Haley began to implement into the Chiefs is coming to fruition.

I think this has more to do with players understanding expectations. Showing up to camp in terrible shape was perfectly acceptable for the previous regime. They didn't know what to expect last off-season, and they did this off-season. I always complained that Herm's teams were flabby, poorly conditioned, and prone to minor injuries. I was very happy that Haley agreed. I honestly feel the poor shape of the players last season said more about the previous regime's low standards than Haley's high standards.

What I am getting at is last year was a failure, that much I agree with. But there is only one team that succeeds in the NFL the rest fail. 2009 was painful. There is no questioning that. But what makes a team isn't last years record, it's how you respond to last years losses with this years opportunity. We have signed a surprising cast of veteran players who are still able to contribute to this team. Certain players want to be a part of something special. Players like Jones, Lilja, and Weigmann realizing that something special in 2010 was going to be in KC is a testament to what direction we are moving.

There are more ways to win than getting a W in the Win Column. We realized how ineffective Johnson was to this team, therefore paving the way for Jamaal Charles to show his true potential. We managed to pick up Chambers off of waivers which seems to be one of the deciding factors in him signing this year as a FA. We now have a full year of this offensive scheme under our belts as well as playing the 3-4. We gained one of the most elite coaching staffs in the history of the sport. This could go for a while.

Well, a twitter rampage and 2 major injuries paved the way for Charles. It wasn't so much a 'realization' as it was a 'well, this is the only guy left' kind of choice. It was he or Jarvis Williams.

So in closing, yes 4-12 is a rough patch. But I feel we gained much more in 12 losses than what the 4 wins provided last season. It was a great read and I truly understand your perspective. But that's the beauty of it, it's all about perspective.

Quality post! I don't agree entirely with you, but well said.

In the end I can't agree with nK's assessment that he made a bad team worse. We won twice as many games.

[AssKickingBoots]

mdchiefsfan, on 31 March 2010 - 03:47 AM, said:

It's all about perspective.

The way I see it is Haley cut all of these players to prove a point. There's a new sheriff in town. My way or the Highway. I see no harm in stating a team is in the rebuilding process to the public and literally rebuilding from the foundation up. He never once promised more than we got, it's just a fact of football... we get a new coach, you hope for the best, then when it doesn't happen the few mistakes made (cutting Pollard) really are highlighted. I am able to view alot of these "bad choices" (trading Tony) as an extra pick in one of the deepest drafts in history. We get a flux of young players to develop with this youthful franchise.

Now I am not saying there weren't faults. Taking on the responsibility of the offense two weeks before the regular season begins is unadvised to say the least. But if we hadn't, would our team be as acclimated to our offense as they will be this year without that occurring? And in regards to losing that offense. If I saw another unsuccessful screen pass or off play action ran on 3rd and long I was going to make Arrowhead a sea of Gailey's red blood. It was something that was going to happen eventually (firing of Gailey)... Why not rip the band-aid off as opposed to slowly pulling it away?

2009 was a wake up call to the ones, who are on contract to be a Chief. You want to play you earn it. Take note of how people arrived in shape (thanks again Warthog) this year because of last years efforts to nip it in the butt. This is solid evidence that what Haley began to implement into the Chiefs is coming to fruition.

What I am getting at is last year was a failure, that much I agree with. But there is only one team that succeeds in the NFL the rest fail. 2009 was painful. There is no questioning that. But what makes a team isn't last years record, it's how you respond to last years losses with this years opportunity. We have signed a surprising cast of veteran players who are still able to contribute to this team. Certain players want to be a part of something special. Players like Jones, Lilja, and Weigmann realizing that something special in 2010 was going to be in KC is a testament to what direction we are moving.

There are more ways to win than getting a W in the Win Column. We realized how ineffective Johnson was to this team, therefore paving the way for Jamaal Charles to show his true potential. We managed to pick up Chambers off of waivers which seems to be one of the deciding factors in him signing this year as a FA. We now have a full year of this offensive scheme under our belts as well as playing the 3-4. We gained one of the most elite coaching staffs in the history of the sport. This could go for a while.

So in closing, yes 4-12 is a rough patch. But I feel we gained much more in 12 losses than what the 4 wins provided last season. It was a great read and I truly understand your perspective. But that's the beauty of it, it's all about perspective.

Dude, you rock. Seriously. I'm looking forward to people like you making the offseason a little less boring.

Some of Haley's best "decisions" he really backed into, like Jamaal Charles obviously. Chris Chambers wouldn't have happened if the Chargers weren't willing to cut him, though the decision to pick him up off of waivers instead of trying to sign him made him come here, smart move in that sense (probably Pioli's). Some of his worst decisions, like cutting Pollard, were entirely avoidable.

All-in-all, Haley did alot of what you expect from a rookie head coach. Mistakes, Inconsistency, and Hope. Surviving that first year and being surrounded by such great coaching talent (1 former NFL Head Coach, 2 former Collegiate Head Coaches, 1 interim NFL Head Coach) and an experienced GM, I think things are looking very up.

The main thing I think people are underestimating is how undertalented this roster was. If Pioli continues to build up this roster, Weis and Crennel coach up that talent, and Haley grows as a head coach, the end result could be pleasantly surprising, especially in such a weak division.

With the Chargers steadily descending, now is the perfect opportunity to reclaim our crown as king.

[kc#1fan]

AssKickingBoots, on 31 March 2010 - 12:34 PM, said:

Dude, you rock. Seriously. I'm looking forward to people like you making the offseason a little less boring.

Some of Haley's best "decisions" he really backed into, like Jamaal Charles obviously. Chris Chambers wouldn't have happened if the Chargers weren't willing to cut him, though the decision to pick him up off of waivers instead of trying to sign him made him come here, smart move in that sense (probably Pioli's). Some of his worst decisions, like cutting Pollard, were entirely avoidable.

All-in-all, Haley did alot of what you expect from a rookie head coach. Mistakes, Inconsistency, and Hope. Surviving that first year and being surrounded by such great coaching talent (1 former NFL Head Coach, 2 former Collegiate Head Coaches, 1 interim NFL Head Coach) and an experienced GM, I think things are looking very up.

The main thing I think people are underestimating is how undertalented this roster was. If Pioli continues to build up this roster, Weis and Crennel coach up that talent, and Haley grows as a head coach, the end result could be pleasantly surprising, especially in such a weak division.

With the Chargers steadily descending, now is the perfect opportunity to reclaim our crown as king.

Not that I am trying to give credit to the chargers, but How do you see a 13-3 Season (ending on an 11 game win streak) as declining. Especially considering the season before they were 8-8.

[ChiefInAdel]

kc#1fan, on 31 March 2010 - 01:44 PM, said:

Not that I am trying to give credit to the chargers, but How do you see a 13-3 Season (ending on an 11 game win streak) as declining. Especially considering the season before they were 8-8.

I think it has more to do with the amount of talent that they've shipped out this year.

While a lot of guys went out, they still managed to maintain a great deal of their talent for this year.

But, they do still have Turner as a head coach, so the decline into Raiders land should come quickly for them.

[AssKickingBoots]

ChiefInAdel, on 31 March 2010 - 02:04 PM, said:

I think it has more to do with the amount of talent that they've shipped out this year.

While a lot of guys went out, they still managed to maintain a great deal of their talent for this year.

But, they do still have Turner as a head coach, so the decline into Raiders land should come quickly for them.

Yeah, I was talking about the talent they've lost. I suppose it's just something I've been thinking will happen and I'm starting to see the first signs of it. It's by no means a gimmie or in full swing though, same as our team trying to climb out of the depths of losing.

[kc#1fan]

AssKickingBoots, on 31 March 2010 - 03:53 PM, said:

Yeah, I was talking about the talent they've lost. I suppose it's just something I've been thinking will happen and I'm starting to see the first signs of it. It's by no means a gimmie or in full swing though, same as our team trying to climb out of the depths of losing.

By all means I am hoping for their fall

[nathanKent]

The_Jonas, on 31 March 2010 - 11:59 AM, said:

In the end I can't agree with nK's assessment that he made a bad team worse. We won twice as many games.

In the latter half of 2008 I felt like the offense had the potential to score on any possession. I didn't feel that way in 2009. Mostly I felt the opposite.

ChiefInAdel, on 31 March 2010 - 02:04 PM, said:

But, they do still have Turner as a head coach, so the decline into Raiders land should come quickly for them.

I've been hearing this for three years now and it hasn't happened yet.

[ChiefsChick23]

Great article!

Although it's f**king late, you asshole.