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[nathanKent]

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[Raised on Riots]

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Cassel is the punching bag. The beating boy. The pile of broken, mentoring bones at the beginning of our legitimate franchise QB's career. Clausen in 2010? Nope. Too early. Get in there and take your ass-whipping Matty; that's what you're getting paid for, and you're getting paid handsomely.

You ain't Brady in KC, son; you're Drew Bledsoe.

[nathanKent]

Raised on Riots, on 16 December 2009 - 03:17 AM, said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Cassel is the punching bag. The beating boy. The pile of broken, mentoring bones at the beginning of our legitimate franchise QB's career. Clausen in 2010? Nope. Too early. Get in there and take your ass-whipping Matty; that's what you're getting paid for, and you're getting paid handsomely.

You ain't Brady in KC, son; you're Drew Bledsoe.

He's not Bledsoe either. I think the better analogy is the Cowboys. He's Henson.

[Raised on Riots]

nathanKent, on 16 December 2009 - 03:35 AM, said:

He's not Bledsoe either. I think the better analogy is the Cowboys. He's Henson.

Was that Aikman or Romo's predecessor?

[nathanKent]

Raised on Riots, on 16 December 2009 - 03:42 AM, said:

Was that Aikman or Romo's predecessor?

I think it might have been Vinny or Cokey.

[Raised on Riots]

nathanKent, on 16 December 2009 - 03:58 AM, said:

I think it might have been Vinny or Cokey.

I don't EVEN know enough about Cowboys football to have any idea of who you are talking about.

Dallas football in my lifetime goes like this:

a) Staubach

b) Cowboys disappear

c) Aikman, Jimmy, Deon, and Jerry

d) New stadium that pisses off punters.

[jambal67]

Good read as usual, nK. I agree 100% with you on our QB situation. Right now, and in the near future, we have no other choice besides Cassel. This is what I've said all season long, the right guy for right now. I'm totally good with him starting Sunday, but I'd like to see Matt G as the #2. Then if Cassel stinks it up, we can go with MG and see what we've got. I was opposed to keeping Croyle over Thigpen. Not that Tyler was a better QB, but because Brodie has spent more time in the trainer's room than on the field. True enough, had he been our #1 you wouldn't see the huge amount of sacks taken by him as opposed to Cassel----he wouldn't have survived. Given the lack of quality FA QBs out there and the less than amazing ones in the upcoming draft, we're pretty much stuck with the ones we have now. But if any of the 3 remaining games get out of hand, we need to see if we need to shop for 1 or 2 new guys, regardless of who's getting paid the big bucks and who isn't. I think Pioli is smart enough to realize that complete failure in his first GM job is more damning than admitting he was wrong on his first trade.

[BrooklynChiefsFan]

Good read nK. I am officially starting the Charlie Batch bandwagon. Get on if you want.

[The_Jonas]

Raised on Riots, on 16 December 2009 - 04:03 AM, said:

I don't EVEN know enough about Cowboys football to have any idea of who you are talking about.

Dallas football in my lifetime goes like this:

a) Staubach

b) Cowboys disappear

c) Aikman, Jimmy, Deon, and Jerry

d) New stadium that pisses off punters.

Henson was the guy that started over Brady in Michigan. He passed on a football career for baseball, and when that failed he made a run at the NFL with the Cowboys.

Obviously you don't know who he is and that Romo is the starting QB, so I guess you can imagine how successful that was.

[Raised on Riots]

The_Jonas, on 16 December 2009 - 03:07 PM, said:

Henson was the guy that started over Brady in Michigan. He passed on a football career for baseball, and when that failed he made a run at the NFL with the Cowboys.

Obviously you don't know who he is and that Romo is the starting QB, so I guess you can imagine how successful that was.

Poor dude.

[chiefsfaninky]

What do you mean, don't change horses?....WHAT the f**k, do we have to loose?..It is not goona make one bit of difference, if MG starts. (OH, I'm sorry MattyC, your ego means very little to me, at this juncture, and your play surely leaves much to be desired,so, given that, we have decided to look at those that could possibly help this organization, going forward; so grab your clipboard, and take notes).....I realize Cassel will go into camp, next year, as the one to knock of, but this is one horse, that shouldn't be hard to tame.(unless he inherits Montana's ghost or something)IMO, he will be lucky(well, he is from the 'sacred' cloth) if he is even a decent backup, in the next 2-3 years. Reguardless, at this point, we need to find out, what the others have to give, and if they are where we want them. This goes for eveyone. I want to see those, that have been on the PS, and see if they have anything, to contribute. AT 3 - 10. NOTHING, doesn't need changed. IMO, we have everthing to gain, by playing those, that may or may not remain.........How else, or what better way, are they to be evaluated?

[Raised on Riots]

Str8 Shooter, on 16 December 2009 - 10:10 PM, said:

What do you mean, don't change horses?....WHAT the f**k, do we have to loose?..It is not goona make one bit of difference, if MG starts. (OH, I'm sorry MattyC, your ego means very little to me, at this juncture, and your play surely leaves much to be desired,so, given that, we have decided to look at those that could possibly help this organization, going forward; so grab your clipboard, and take notes).....I realize Cassel will go into camp, next year, as the one to knock of, but this is one horse, that shouldn't be hard to tame.(unless he inherits Montana's ghost or something)IMO, he will be lucky(well, he is from the 'sacred' cloth) if he is even a decent backup, in the next 2-3 years. Reguardless, at this point, we need to find out, what the others have to give, and if they are where we want them. This goes for eveyone. I want to see those, that have been on the PS, and see if they have anything, to contribute. AT 3 - 10. NOTHING, doesn't need changed. IMO, we have everthing to gain, by playing those, that may or may not remain.........How else, or what better way, are they to be evaluated?

Can we just shoot the horses and try again?

[chiefsfaninky]

Raised on Riots, on 16 December 2009 - 10:20 PM, said:

Can we just shoot the horses and try again?

As bad as things have seemed, I prefer to move forward, rather than go backward. This off-season needs to be one for the books....lord knows we have the cash.....and I fully expect this team to atleast be in the hunt at this time, next year.
Yeah, go ahead, laugh, tell me to smoke another one , whatever, but it shouldn't be that hard to achieve. Given some better execution, this team, TODAY, is atleast 5-8. With the right accusitions, how hard is it to expect atlest 2 more wins, by this time next year? Not saying we will make the Playoffs, but we should atleast, be in the hunt.

[Walker Boh]

Str8 Shooter, on 16 December 2009 - 10:34 PM, said:

As bad as things have seemed, I prefer to move forward, rather than go backward. This off-season needs to be one for the books....lord knows we have the cash.....and I fully expect this team to atleast be in the hunt at this time, next year.
Yeah, go ahead, laugh, tell me to smoke another one , whatever, but it shouldn't be that hard to achieve. Given some better execution, this team, TODAY, is atleast 5-8. With the right accusitions, how hard is it to expect atlest 2 more wins, by this time next year? Not saying we will make the Playoffs, but we should atleast, be in the hunt.

I'd agree that your Chiefs aren't as far away from improvement as it seems. Fix that O-line and you'd be amazed at the results. Strong teams start with strong lines on both sides of the ball.

As for Cassel, I'd agree that he should stay at starter the remainder of the season. He really doesn't have much experience as a starter, even compared to a rookie QB (remember Cassel was mainly a backup at USC). Plus he's in a new offense from NE. Let him make his mistakes, and see if he learns from the experience for next season.

THEN, when camp starts again, open up the QB competition. If Cassel has indeed learned, and has the skills required, he will emerge as the starter easily. If not, then he at least got his chance.

[nathanKent]

Raised on Riots, on 16 December 2009 - 04:03 AM, said:

I don't EVEN know enough about Cowboys football to have any idea of who you are talking about.

Dallas football in my lifetime goes like this:

a) Staubach

b) Cowboys disappear

c) Aikman, Jimmy, Deon, and Jerry

d) New stadium that pisses off punters.

Cokey is Quincy Carter. He had a promising season in 2003, then decided to dedicate his offseason to liquor and blow instead of studying his playbook and staying out of jail.

Raised on Riots, on 16 December 2009 - 10:20 PM, said:

Can we just shoot the horses and try again?

[IMISS#58]

IMO I can't give up on Matt when he clearly needs a Oline that is worth a damn. Second, I can't give up on a him when he has had so many different receivers this year and oh yeah the receivers he does have are tops in the league in dropped passes. Finally it has been only what 3 or 4 games that we could actually run the ball.
Nope the man is a few games away from surviving a beating that most QB's would not have survived (see Croyle the past few year)

[Raised on Riots]

IMISS#58, on 17 December 2009 - 08:54 PM, said:

IMO I can't give up on Matt when he clearly needs a Oline that is worth a damn. Second, I can't give up on a him when he has had so many different receivers this year and oh yeah the receivers he does have are tops in the league in dropped passes. Finally it has been only what 3 or 4 games that we could actually run the ball.
Nope the man is a few games away from surviving a beating that most QB's would not have survived (see Croyle the past few year)

There QB's who put the team on their back, and there are QB's who need the team to carry them.

Cassel is the latter. Just so you know.

[IMISS#58]

Raised on Riots, on 17 December 2009 - 11:25 PM, said:

<BR>There QB's who put the team on their back, and there are QB's who need the team to carry them. <BR><BR>Cassel is the latter. Just so you know.<BR>

<BR>If he is on his back it is hard to carry a team. If the receivers drop the ball is it his job to catch the balls he just hit them in the hands with? Chambers dropped one in the endzone. Its quiet apparent that you don't like Cassel witht all of the post you have made against him and that is your opinion.&nbsp; Name one QB that is on a "winning&nbsp;TEAM" that doesn't have good receivers and oline.&nbsp;Hell Bowe can't catch anything either and he is our first round pick. Alberts is second in the NFL at the LT position in allowing sacks (another first round pick).<BR>&nbsp; We have 3 receivers in the top 10 in dropped passes.&nbsp; Bowe with 7 in 8 games?<BR>&nbsp;ROR you are right it is all Cassels fault he should carry this team.

[The_Jonas]

IMISS#58, on 18 December 2009 - 06:35 AM, said:

<BR>If he is on his back it is hard to carry a team. If the receivers drop the ball is it his job to catch the balls he just hit them in the hands with? Chambers dropped one in the endzone. Its quiet apparent that you don't like Cassel witht all of the post you have made against him and that is your opinion.&nbsp; Name one QB that is on a "winning&nbsp;TEAM" that doesn't have good receivers and oline.&nbsp;Hell Bowe can't catch anything either and he is our first round pick. Alberts is second in the NFL at the LT position in allowing sacks (another first round pick).<BR>&nbsp; We have 3 receivers in the top 10 in dropped passes.&nbsp; Bowe with 7 in 8 games?<BR>&nbsp;ROR you are right it is all Cassels fault he should carry this team.

Why is it all or nothing with you people when it comes to QB's? Why must it be ALL his fault or not at all his fault?

Can't things like standing in the pocket, getting sacked, and fumbling after holding the ball for 6 seconds against a 6 man blitz be Cassel's fault? Can't over thrown wide open WR's be Cassel's fault?

When he gets sacked at the moment he finishes his drop back, we can blame the OL.

We can blame WR's for dropping passes that hit them clean.

Why do people act like a WR dropping a pass has anything to do with Cassel overthrowing open guys on completely different plays?

[Zig]

The_Jonas, on 18 December 2009 - 05:21 PM, said:

Why is it all or nothing with you people when it comes to QB's? Why must it be ALL his fault or not at all his fault?

Can't things like standing in the pocket, getting sacked, and fumbling after holding the ball for 6 seconds against a 6 man blitz be Cassel's fault? Can't over thrown wide open WR's be Cassel's fault?

When he gets sacked at the moment he finishes his drop back, we can blame the OL.

We can blame WR's for dropping passes that hit them clean.

Why do people act like a WR dropping a pass has anything to do with Cassel overthrowing open guys on completely different plays?

You know what's funny, I remember having a convo mostly with Nola a couple of years ago and I was lamenting about how Brady/ the Pats weren't very good at hitting the 'bombs'. I said it like that (Brady/Pats) because it's so hard to tell why they weren't working,was it Brady or the WR?, but they usually weren't...Getting Moss helped a lot but really, it's not a very high % pass for most teams that don't have Manning or Brees. I think the problem is people see mostly 'highlights' of games and of course if there was a completed 'bomb', you'll usually see it. I just think most of you underestimate how hard it is to hit those deep ones. I imagine having different WRs all the time doesn't help as they all run different speeds...I can't tell you how many times Brady has 'overthrown' Moss. Even in '07 before his injury. If you saw that Sat night game against the Giants in '07 you saw what I mean...they called the same bomb the next play and hit it... Then they missed several in the SB Brady and Moss...Think about that...You can't really tell on TV but if the WR lets up just a bit thinking the pass isn't coming his way, ..well he's going to get overthrown...just saying, it's hard to tell sometimes who is 'at fault'. And from what I read last week from Chambers himself, the Chiefs have guys running wrong/bad routes all over the place. I said this before but I would tag Cleveland as the only worse situation for a QB. I have no idea how you evaluate anyone on your team to be honest...1 or 2 bad OL can make the others look bad...DL doesn't do it's job the backers can look bad etc...I'm actually working on a piece about how hard it is to evaluate a player while taking his teammates into account. For instance I thought we were getting a very good player in Adalius Thomas, but turns out maybe playing on a great defense in Baltimore made him 'better' and it works the other way too...it's hard to be successful on a bad team...

lot of random thoughts and rambling but basically I'm agreeing with you


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