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NFL Lamar Jackson is MVP
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(12-14-2019, 05:46 PM)asskickingboots Wrote:  
(12-14-2019, 01:35 PM)NOLA Wrote:  
(12-13-2019, 09:08 PM)asskickingboots Wrote:  
(12-13-2019, 11:08 AM)NOLA Wrote:  
(12-13-2019, 10:14 AM)asskickingboots Wrote:  Lamar Jackson isn't exactly some lord of passing. This year he's only had 3 games of 250+ yards, 300+ once (against the Dolphins week 1), and 170 or less 6 times and his passing yardage totals are down tremendously since the first month of the season. He's kind of riding goodwill on the passing front.

Lamar has 306 159 rushes compared to 344 completions, so yes, he's still a run first QB even if he does better in the pocket than he was.

That being said, he has been very efficient when he has passed. His TD numbers are kind of inflated, but it's hard to argue with 33 TDs to 6 INTs. And he is a beast runner. He's a worthy MVP.

The throws he does make are beautiful, and he has an amazing deep ball.  You are also wrong.

Fine then, guess he isn't a worthy MVP.

That seems like a good faith reply to the point I was making, sure.

Or a joke.

I will admit I made a crucial mistake when looking at the stats, I accidentally looked at Lamar's total rushes including last year. He has 159 rushes to 344 completions this season which is still a ton of rushes for a QB, only 13 less than the next 2 closest combined. If he isn't a run first QB, no one is... except Taysom Hill, but he doesn't count.

I'm not saying he's a bad passer, I'm saying purely as a passer there are several guys still ahead of Lamar. He only ranks 29th in passing yards per game (min 100 attempts) and if anything he's going to drop further on that list if guys like David Blough and Drew Lock qualify.

A 33:6 TD to INT ratio is awesome, but I'm telling you his TD numbers are inflated (finishing off primarily running drives) and his other efficiency numbers aren't MVP level. Even in terms of yards per pass and completion percentage (both ranked 11th, min 100 attempts) he's not doing as well as you might think.

Lamar can't handle 200 or so hits a season for very long either, and that's how much he's getting hit with a very good line.

BTW, the most rushes Russell Wilson had in a season was 118. If you expect Jackson to follow Wilson's career path he will need to develop more as a passer and particularly the intermediate game. I think this is actually a positive for him that he has some room to grow, have a very Randall Cunningham type career.

But yes, Lamar is a worthy MVP. 33:6 TD to INT stapled onto a 1,000+ runner is very impressive, regardless of if there are better passers or if it's a sustainable career trajectory.

I think Lamar will win MVP this year, and have a sustainable career as a great passer long after it.  I think you are under-valuing him as a passer because he's smart enough to take all the runs he's given.  His touch and accuracy is uncanny this early in his career.  Don't look at his stats, look at his tape.
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(12-14-2019, 10:20 PM)NOLA Wrote:  
(12-14-2019, 05:46 PM)asskickingboots Wrote:  
(12-14-2019, 01:35 PM)NOLA Wrote:  
(12-13-2019, 09:08 PM)asskickingboots Wrote:  
(12-13-2019, 11:08 AM)NOLA Wrote:  The throws he does make are beautiful, and he has an amazing deep ball.  You are also wrong.

Fine then, guess he isn't a worthy MVP.

That seems like a good faith reply to the point I was making, sure.

Or a joke.

I will admit I made a crucial mistake when looking at the stats, I accidentally looked at Lamar's total rushes including last year. He has 159 rushes to 344 completions this season which is still a ton of rushes for a QB, only 13 less than the next 2 closest combined. If he isn't a run first QB, no one is... except Taysom Hill, but he doesn't count.

I'm not saying he's a bad passer, I'm saying purely as a passer there are several guys still ahead of Lamar. He only ranks 29th in passing yards per game (min 100 attempts) and if anything he's going to drop further on that list if guys like David Blough and Drew Lock qualify.

A 33:6 TD to INT ratio is awesome, but I'm telling you his TD numbers are inflated (finishing off primarily running drives) and his other efficiency numbers aren't MVP level. Even in terms of yards per pass and completion percentage (both ranked 11th, min 100 attempts) he's not doing as well as you might think.

Lamar can't handle 200 or so hits a season for very long either, and that's how much he's getting hit with a very good line.

BTW, the most rushes Russell Wilson had in a season was 118. If you expect Jackson to follow Wilson's career path he will need to develop more as a passer and particularly the intermediate game. I think this is actually a positive for him that he has some room to grow, have a very Randall Cunningham type career.

But yes, Lamar is a worthy MVP. 33:6 TD to INT stapled onto a 1,000+ runner is very impressive, regardless of if there are better passers or if it's a sustainable career trajectory.

I think Lamar will win MVP this year, and have a sustainable career as a great passer long after it.  I think you are under-valuing him as a passer because he's smart enough to take all the runs he's given.  His touch and accuracy is uncanny this early in his career.  Don't look at his stats, look at his tape.

Dude, I've probably watched 5 Ravens games this year (probably only 2 start to finish, but still). I think you're overvaluing his abilities as a passer because he throws a pretty ball. Time will tell.
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(12-15-2019, 01:35 PM)asskickingboots Wrote:  
(12-14-2019, 10:20 PM)NOLA Wrote:  
(12-14-2019, 05:46 PM)asskickingboots Wrote:  
(12-14-2019, 01:35 PM)NOLA Wrote:  
(12-13-2019, 09:08 PM)asskickingboots Wrote:  Fine then, guess he isn't a worthy MVP.

That seems like a good faith reply to the point I was making, sure.

Or a joke.

I will admit I made a crucial mistake when looking at the stats, I accidentally looked at Lamar's total rushes including last year. He has 159 rushes to 344 completions this season which is still a ton of rushes for a QB, only 13 less than the next 2 closest combined. If he isn't a run first QB, no one is... except Taysom Hill, but he doesn't count.

I'm not saying he's a bad passer, I'm saying purely as a passer there are several guys still ahead of Lamar. He only ranks 29th in passing yards per game (min 100 attempts) and if anything he's going to drop further on that list if guys like David Blough and Drew Lock qualify.

A 33:6 TD to INT ratio is awesome, but I'm telling you his TD numbers are inflated (finishing off primarily running drives) and his other efficiency numbers aren't MVP level. Even in terms of yards per pass and completion percentage (both ranked 11th, min 100 attempts) he's not doing as well as you might think.

Lamar can't handle 200 or so hits a season for very long either, and that's how much he's getting hit with a very good line.

BTW, the most rushes Russell Wilson had in a season was 118. If you expect Jackson to follow Wilson's career path he will need to develop more as a passer and particularly the intermediate game. I think this is actually a positive for him that he has some room to grow, have a very Randall Cunningham type career.

But yes, Lamar is a worthy MVP. 33:6 TD to INT stapled onto a 1,000+ runner is very impressive, regardless of if there are better passers or if it's a sustainable career trajectory.

I think Lamar will win MVP this year, and have a sustainable career as a great passer long after it.  I think you are under-valuing him as a passer because he's smart enough to take all the runs he's given.  His touch and accuracy is uncanny this early in his career.  Don't look at his stats, look at his tape.

Dude, I've probably watched 5 Ravens games this year (probably only 2 start to finish, but still). I think you're overvaluing his abilities as a passer because he throws a pretty ball. Time will tell.

This part is definitely accurate.  But I like what I see.

And he does throw a pretty ball.
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