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[nathanKent]

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[cbuschief]

nathanKent, on 16 August 2010 - 06:33 PM, said:

http://www.homeofthe...luation-game-1/

I felt like the passing O-line suffered more than the run O-line. It looked like the guys werent sure of who to block on some plays and that makes matters worse when someone goes unblocked and blows up the play before it has a chance. I wasn't that impressed with the right side of the O-line as a whole and hope someone becomes available to sign to man the right tackle spot before O' shit i cant block again gets someone killed. If we can't even try to look down field then teams are just going to crowd the line and blitz us to death so I expect alot of short plays are going to be the norm.We must be hoping someone can make some yards on their own, thus the need to draft guys like McCluster and bring in Urban with some speed. I didn't see much seperation by the recievers as a whole so I see why the Qb's dinked the ball underneath all night. Can Jones get passed the line of scrimmage at all? I don't even want him in on goal line if he can't do better than that in the real games.

The first string defense looked like last year's defense all over again so here's to another long year since we didn't addresss the need for a nose tackle. Peria Jerry looked good for the Falcons and was a 2009 draft prospect with B.j. Raji (either would have been a great pick up since we went with the 3-4 defense but we opted to draft Jackson ahead of his draft position) . It looks like teams are gonna run the ball all day on us if this game holds true. Still not much pass rush from what I saw. Here's to fixing this before the season starts or we are gonna be draft in the top 5 again next year.

[nathanKent]

cbuschief, on 17 August 2010 - 01:58 AM, said:

I felt like the passing O-line suffered more than the run O-line. It looked like the guys werent sure of who to block on some plays and that makes matters worse when someone goes unblocked and blows up the play before it has a chance. I wasn't that impressed with the right side of the O-line as a whole and hope someone becomes available to sign to man the right tackle spot before O' shit i cant block again gets someone killed. If we can't even try to look down field then teams are just going to crowd the line and blitz us to death so I expect alot of short plays are going to be the norm.We must be hoping someone can make some yards on their own, thus the need to draft guys like McCluster and bring in Urban with some speed. I didn't see much seperation by the recievers as a whole so I see why the Qb's dinked the ball underneath all night. Can Jones get passed the line of scrimmage at all? I don't even want him in on goal line if he can't do better than that in the real games.

The first string defense looked like last year's defense all over again so here's to another long year since we didn't addresss the need for a nose tackle. Peria Jerry looked good for the Falcons and was a 2009 draft prospect with B.j. Raji (either would have been a great pick up since we went with the 3-4 defense but we opted to draft Jackson ahead of his draft position) . It looks like teams are gonna run the ball all day on us if this game holds true. Still not much pass rush from what I saw. Here's to fixing this before the season starts or we are gonna be draft in the top 5 again next year.

Pretty much agreed on all counts, but I think the pass rush is probably better once the team starts using its best personnel. My starters as of right now would be as follows:

DE: Glenn Dorsey, Wallace Gilberry
NT: Ron Edwards (ouch)
OLB: Tamba Hali, Andy Studebaker
ILB: Derrick Johnson, Corey Mays (ouch)
CB: Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr
S: Eric Berry, Kendrick Lewis


Put that group on the field at the same time and I think the results will be okay. That's still a glaring hole in the middle though.

[milkman]

nathanKent, on 17 August 2010 - 02:57 PM, said:

Pretty much agreed on all counts, but I think the pass rush is probably better once the team starts using its best personnel. My starters as of right now would be as follows:

DE: Glenn Dorsey, Wallace Gilberry
NT: Ron Edwards (ouch)
OLB: Tamba Hali, Andy Studebaker
ILB: Derrick Johnson, Corey Mays (ouch)
CB: Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr
S: Eric Berry, Kendrick Lewis


Put that group on the field at the same time and I think the results will be okay. That's still a glaring hole in the middle though.

Are you freakin' kidding me?

Ron Edwards was owned on every single play he was involved in.

A Fullback owned his useless ass.

And Corey Mays?

The Cory Mays that couldn't tackle your grandmother?

That Corey Mays?

And Gilberry's a nice situational pass rusher, but he can't hold up against the run, so as a starter he does nothing that Tyson Jackson doesn't already do, which is to wave to the RB as he goes by from behind the blocker that abuses him.

Jesus.

[HG]

Yet you give no opinion on who should play those positions.

[milkman]

HG, on 17 August 2010 - 05:37 PM, said:

Yet you give no opinion on who should play those positions.

Derek Lokey was far more active and mange to get some penetration in the game on Friday.
Let's put him out there and see what he can do.

Shaun Smith has been getting reps at DE, so let's do the same with him there.

And I'd much rather see if Jovan Belcher can develop into a solid ILB than keep running a scrub who's proven he's a scrub out there.

[nathanKent]

milkman, on 17 August 2010 - 04:27 PM, said:

Are you freakin' kidding me?

Ron Edwards was owned on every single play he was involved in.

A Fullback owned his useless ass.

And Corey Mays?

The Cory Mays that couldn't tackle your grandmother?

That Corey Mays?

And Gilberry's a nice situational pass rusher, but he can't hold up against the run, so as a starter he does nothing that Tyson Jackson doesn't already do, which is to wave to the RB as he goes by from behind the blocker that abuses him.

Jesus.

Yeah, go back and reread the post, dumbass. See how I put OUCH next to both of their names? That's because they suck, but they're still our best options.

[milkman]

nathanKent, on 17 August 2010 - 09:07 PM, said:

Yeah, go back and reread the post, dumbass. See how I put OUCH next to both of their names? That's because they suck, but they're still our best options.

Yeah, I saw that dumbass.

Doesn't change the fact that you are f**king clueless.

Our best option is to let young guys who still have time to grow might actually grow on the job.

Our best option never includes leaving scrubs out there who you know beyond any doubt can't get it done.

[EstablishedAce]

milkman, on 17 August 2010 - 09:41 PM, said:

Yeah, I saw that dumbass.

Doesn't change the fact that you are f**king clueless.

Our best option is to let young guys who still have time to grow might actually grow on the job.

Our best option never includes leaving scrubs out there who you know beyond any doubt can't get it done.

Gilberry is younger than Smith.

[HG]

Wow. We have clueless dumbass'es here? Who knew?

[milkman]

EstablishedAce, on 17 August 2010 - 09:44 PM, said:

Gilberry is younger than Smith.

The "ouches" he referred to were on Edwards and Mays.

Smith played some DE in Cleveland, and had some success.

He is no longer able to work in the middle, but he might be able to get some things done on the end.

[NOLA]

milkman, on 17 August 2010 - 09:51 PM, said:

He is no longer able to work in the middle, but he might be able to get some things done on the end.

That's what she said.

[nathanKent]

milkman, on 17 August 2010 - 09:51 PM, said:

The "ouches" he referred to were on Edwards and Mays.

Smith played some DE in Cleveland, and had some success.

He is no longer able to work in the middle, but he might be able to get some things done on the end.

So.... let me get this straight.... you want Shaun Smith, who has two sacks in 5 seasons as a part time starter, over Wallace Gilberry, who had 4.5 sacks last year as a late game replacement? Or do you want Smith over Dorsey? I'm curious.... do you actually watch football?

[milkman]

nathanKent, on 17 August 2010 - 11:14 PM, said:

So.... let me get this straight.... you want Shaun Smith, who has two sacks in 5 seasons as a part time starter, over Wallace Gilberry, who had 4.5 sacks last year as a late game replacement? Or do you want Smith over Dorsey? I'm curious.... do you actually watch football?

Late game replacement?

You are one stupid f**cker.
Do you know what a situational pass rusher is?

I want Shaun Smith to start because you can't win if you can't stop the run, and in first and second down situations I want someone in there who might be able to do his job as a 5 tech and eat up blockers and take up space and give the LBs the opportunity to make plays.

That player is neither Tyson Jackson nor Wallace Gilberry.

So we need to find out if that player is Shaun Smith.

FTR, While Smith has played sparingly at DE in the past, his primary position has been NT.
The Chiefs are (apparently) experimenting with him more at DE in camp.
I'm saying let's find out if he can do a better job than what we have there now.

And also FTR, guys like Casey Hampton (8 sacks in 9 years), Jamaal Williams (13 sacks in 12 years), Abrayou Franklin (4 sacks in 7 years), playing the nose in a 34, Smith's primary position previously through his career, haven't exactly set the world on fire with their sack production, because that isn't their primary job.

Further, when you look at 34 defenses, sacks come from the LB position from guys like Shawne Merriman, Andre Ware, Elvis Dumerville.

I don't know what you're watching, but it ain't the NFL, dumbass.

[EstablishedAce]

milkman, on 18 August 2010 - 01:52 AM, said:

Late game replacement?

You are one stupid f**cker.
Do you know what a situational pass rusher is?

I want Shaun Smith to start because you can't win if you can't stop the run, and in first and second down situations I want someone in there who might be able to do his job as a 5 tech and eat up blockers and take up space and give the LBs the opportunity to make plays.

That player is neither Tyson Jackson nor Wallace Gilberry.

So we need to find out if that player is Shaun Smith.

FTR, While Smith has played sparingly at DE in the past, his primary position has been NT.
The Chiefs are (apparently) experimenting with him more at DE in camp.
I'm saying let's find out if he can do a better job than what we have there now.

And also FTR, guys like Casey Hampton (8 sacks in 9 years), Jamaal Williams (13 sacks in 12 years), Abrayou Franklin (4 sacks in 7 years), playing the nose in a 34, Smith's primary position previously through his career, haven't exactly set the world on fire with their sack production, because that isn't their primary job.

Further, when you look at 34 defenses, sacks come from the LB position from guys like Shawne Merriman, Andre Ware, Elvis Dumerville.

I don't know what you're watching, but it ain't the NFL, dumbass.

I agree that Gillberry shouldn't be the starter, but I don't believe it will be Shaun Smith either. Let Tyson Jackson play and hope that he developes. However, instead of subing Gillberry in for Dorsey on third down, put him in for Jackson, as Dorsey is the better pass rusher of the two.

[The_Jonas]

This thread delivers.

[nathanKent]

milkman, on 18 August 2010 - 01:52 AM, said:

Late game replacement?

You are one stupid f**cker.
Do you know what a situational pass rusher is?

Yeah, I've heard of it. Gilberry was used on obvious rushing downs too. That makes him a sub, not a situational pass rusher. R-Kal Truluck was a situational pass rusher.

milkman, on 18 August 2010 - 01:52 AM, said:

hat player is neither Tyson Jackson

Agreed.

milkman, on 18 August 2010 - 01:52 AM, said:

nor Wallace Gilberry

On what grounds?


Also, how does Wallace Gilberry v. Tyson Jackson v. Alex Magee v. Shaun Smith at DE pertain to Ron Edwards? Because I'm pretty sure your original bitch was about Edwards and Mays.

[milkman]

nathanKent, on 18 August 2010 - 08:58 PM, said:

Yeah, I've heard of it. Gilberry was used on obvious rushing downs too. That makes him a sub, not a situational pass rusher. R-Kal Truluck was a situational pass rusher.

He was occassionally ised to give the starter's a rest, because our depth sucks (starters are another discussion).
But his best use is as a situational pass rusher.

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On what grounds?

He is a 270 lb DE who has no chance to hold up physically as a 5 tech in a 34.
A 5 tech DE has to be clsoer to 300 lbs (or more), which is why most are converted college DTs.
Our run D sucked ass all season, but never more than when Giberry had to fill in for Dorsey against Cleveland.
He just doesn't have the size and strength for the poistion.

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Also, how does Wallace Gilberry v. Tyson Jackson v. Alex Magee v. Shaun Smith at DE pertain to Ron Edwards? Because I'm pretty sure your original bitch was about Edwards and Mays.

I get why you would suggest Gilberry at DE, but it doesn't work and that was something I did discuss in my original post..
Shaun Smith is working at DE in camp, and not listed at NT in the depth chart all at this point in time.
He has the size, and has had some success as a NT, so let's trot him out there and see how he holds up against the run at DE in this defense.

Gilberry is a hard worker and a solid pass rusher in the right situations, but he should be used sparingly, at best, in any situation that isn't a passing down.

[nathanKent]

milkman, on 18 August 2010 - 09:37 PM, said:

He was occassionally ised to give the starter's a rest, because our depth sucks (starters are another discussion).
But his best use is as a situational pass rusher.




He is a 270 lb DE who has no chance to hold up physically as a 5 tech in a 34.
A 5 tech DE has to be clsoer to 300 lbs (or more), which is why most are converted college DTs.
Our run D sucked ass all season, but never more than when Giberry had to fill in for Dorsey against Cleveland.
He just doesn't have the size and strength for the poistion.



I get why you would suggest Gilberry at DE, but it doesn't work and that was something I did discuss in my original post..
Shaun Smith is working at DE in camp, and not listed at NT in the depth chart all at this point in time.
He has the size, and has had some success as a NT, so let's trot him out there and see how he holds up against the run at DE in this defense.

Gilberry is a hard worker and a solid pass rusher in the right situations, but he should be used sparingly, at best, in any situation that isn't a passing down.

f**k you.

[milkman]

nathanKent, on 18 August 2010 - 09:42 PM, said:

f**k you.

That all ya got?