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The Return of an Old Favorite: Week 3 Game Review
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Posted 28 September 2009 - 11:42 PM
Well written article Nathan. I Have thoughts, and I will share.
First, Bill Muir is entering his 32nd year as an NFL coach, and he was one of the coaches that I payed particular attention to while I was at Camp. Ironically, So was Clancy Pendergast. These two were the one's I had my eye on bro. The offensive line, and the defense were both my top areas of improvement that I thought this team needed headed into 2009.
As so many have taken no hesitation in reminding of, this thing is not gonna happen overnight. Prior to this year, Bill Muir had been with Tampa since 2002. I still think that he will serve as a very valuable resource to the Chiefs. He was part of the staff that got those Bucs a Superbowl back in 2002. His Bucs won the the NFC south in 2005, and 2007. This was DESPITE one of the leagues YOUNGEST offensive fronts that Bill Muir himself coached. Hell, the Bucs scored 334 points that year. In 2007, They sent Jaff Garcia to the pro bowl, and 334 points was the fourth highest in seasonal total in team history.
You might also remember, that he was with the Jets. This is where he gained his association with Chiefs General manager, Scott Pioli, and coach Todd Haley. That year, under Muir's jurisdiction in 2000, the Jets only allowed 20 sacks. That tied them for lowest in the NFL.
I listened to Muir all through camp Nathan. The Chiefs should never consider firing Bill Muir. This man IS the help that we needed with this offensive line. I'm sorry it hasn't shown up to you, or any of us just yet here in week three. I love reading your articles. This is another great read for this site. But I must stand up say I disagree. I support Bill Muir, and I think that a coach with 44 years of overall coaching football on offense, and defense is for sure NOT the problem.
As far as Clancy goes, He was as much, if not more entertaining to watch in camp than Todd Haley. Listening to him yell at the players, call out plays, and get onto his defense was a great experience, and it is JUST TO SOON to be calling for ANYONE on this staff's job. I'm sure you understand.
This is another reason, why somehow, someway, we here at HOTC have to figure out a way, to get Nathan too camp next year. He needs to see this team in the arena I have. Thats not me taking a shot. Everyone knows I admire the Nathankent. I just think that Clancy, and Bill are great coaches. And this is week three.
First, Bill Muir is entering his 32nd year as an NFL coach, and he was one of the coaches that I payed particular attention to while I was at Camp. Ironically, So was Clancy Pendergast. These two were the one's I had my eye on bro. The offensive line, and the defense were both my top areas of improvement that I thought this team needed headed into 2009.
As so many have taken no hesitation in reminding of, this thing is not gonna happen overnight. Prior to this year, Bill Muir had been with Tampa since 2002. I still think that he will serve as a very valuable resource to the Chiefs. He was part of the staff that got those Bucs a Superbowl back in 2002. His Bucs won the the NFC south in 2005, and 2007. This was DESPITE one of the leagues YOUNGEST offensive fronts that Bill Muir himself coached. Hell, the Bucs scored 334 points that year. In 2007, They sent Jaff Garcia to the pro bowl, and 334 points was the fourth highest in seasonal total in team history.
You might also remember, that he was with the Jets. This is where he gained his association with Chiefs General manager, Scott Pioli, and coach Todd Haley. That year, under Muir's jurisdiction in 2000, the Jets only allowed 20 sacks. That tied them for lowest in the NFL.
I listened to Muir all through camp Nathan. The Chiefs should never consider firing Bill Muir. This man IS the help that we needed with this offensive line. I'm sorry it hasn't shown up to you, or any of us just yet here in week three. I love reading your articles. This is another great read for this site. But I must stand up say I disagree. I support Bill Muir, and I think that a coach with 44 years of overall coaching football on offense, and defense is for sure NOT the problem.
As far as Clancy goes, He was as much, if not more entertaining to watch in camp than Todd Haley. Listening to him yell at the players, call out plays, and get onto his defense was a great experience, and it is JUST TO SOON to be calling for ANYONE on this staff's job. I'm sure you understand.
This is another reason, why somehow, someway, we here at HOTC have to figure out a way, to get Nathan too camp next year. He needs to see this team in the arena I have. Thats not me taking a shot. Everyone knows I admire the Nathankent. I just think that Clancy, and Bill are great coaches. And this is week three.
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Posted 29 September 2009 - 12:19 AM
He hasn't developed a single consistent top notch player in his entire career. He can't hold a candle to Matsko or Solari.
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Posted 29 September 2009 - 08:14 AM
I had a dream that Willie Roaf knocked up Serena Williams and they had a boy. That boy turned into the finest offensive tackle the NFL has ever seen. Probably a monster overhand too. My dream didn't go down that avenue.
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Posted 29 September 2009 - 09:31 AM
Soda Popinski, on 29 September 2009 - 08:14 AM, said:
I had a dream that Willie Roaf knocked up Serena Williams and they had a boy. That boy turned into the finest offensive tackle the NFL has ever seen. Probably a monster overhand too. My dream didn't go down that avenue.
That is disturbing. You might want to consider psychiatric help.
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Posted 29 September 2009 - 09:59 AM
penguin, on 29 September 2009 - 09:31 AM, said:
That is disturbing. You might want to consider psychiatric help.
A psychiatrist would probably hurl in their trash can and kick me out of their office if I said that stuff.
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nathanKent, on 29 September 2009 - 12:19 AM, said:
He hasn't developed a single consistent top notch player in his entire career. He can't hold a candle to Matsko or Solari.
32 years in the NFL Nathan. That doesn't happen to bad coaches. Sorry. Saying that a coach hasn't developed enough "big name" players, ergo is worthless, is not an argument I can agree with when it comes to Muir, or Pendergast.
Pioli is no fool. Neither is Haley. I think having a seasoned Oline coach like this will benefit the team in the long run.
I'm surprised nobody commented on my initial remarks. Maybe one of my strongest arguments in a while. ( At least I thought )
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Posted 29 September 2009 - 11:06 AM
Here are the facts, Clancy started his D-Coordinator job for Arizona in 2006...His first year with the team his Defense ranked 29th in the league allowing 24.3 points a game and 349.4 yards a game... in his second year with the team his defense ranked 17th in the league allowing 24.9 points per game and 330.2 yards a game... in his third and final year with the Cardinals, last year when they went to the superbowl, his defense ranked 19th in the league allowing 26.6 points per game and 331.5 yards per game...now this comes from NFL.com and they rank defense by total yards, but yards really dont matter its points and every year his defense allowed more points per game than the previous year.
He can yell and scream at the players all he wants, but those numbers are not good at all. All his defenses have ranked in the bottom half of the league every year in yards a game and ranked in the bottom 7 of the league in points per game
He can yell and scream at the players all he wants, but those numbers are not good at all. All his defenses have ranked in the bottom half of the league every year in yards a game and ranked in the bottom 7 of the league in points per game
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Posted 29 September 2009 - 03:03 PM
Pendergast is terrible.
Pendergast's defenses tend to allow over 400 points. Only (I think) six teams in NFL history have ever made the playoffs allowing that many points, and only one has gone to the Superbowl (Arizona last season).
No... he's bad.
As far as Muir... our best offensive linemen have taken a clear step backwards this season. There are plays where our offensive line literally looks like they don't know WHO they're supposed to block.... actually that's most plays. Why are they so confused?
The quality of players who develop under a position coach are the only measurable way to judge them.
I know people like Muir because he 'yells a lot' and most people seem to think that's all it takes to be a good coach (see the 2-3 season of circle jerking around Krumrie) but he's done nothing in his career to give me high expectations for the players we will draft and develop under him.
Pendergast's defenses tend to allow over 400 points. Only (I think) six teams in NFL history have ever made the playoffs allowing that many points, and only one has gone to the Superbowl (Arizona last season).
No... he's bad.
As far as Muir... our best offensive linemen have taken a clear step backwards this season. There are plays where our offensive line literally looks like they don't know WHO they're supposed to block.... actually that's most plays. Why are they so confused?
The quality of players who develop under a position coach are the only measurable way to judge them.
I know people like Muir because he 'yells a lot' and most people seem to think that's all it takes to be a good coach (see the 2-3 season of circle jerking around Krumrie) but he's done nothing in his career to give me high expectations for the players we will draft and develop under him.
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Posted 29 September 2009 - 05:09 PM
The_Jonas, on 29 September 2009 - 03:03 PM, said:
Pendergast is terrible.
Pendergast's defenses tend to allow over 400 points. Only (I think) six teams in NFL history have ever made the playoffs allowing that many points, and only one has gone to the Superbowl (Arizona last season).
No... he's bad.
As far as Muir... our best offensive linemen have taken a clear step backwards this season. There are plays where our offensive line literally looks like they don't know WHO they're supposed to block.... actually that's most plays. Why are they so confused?
The quality of players who develop under a position coach are the only measurable way to judge them.
I know people like Muir because he 'yells a lot' and most people seem to think that's all it takes to be a good coach (see the 2-3 season of circle jerking around Krumrie) but he's done nothing in his career to give me high expectations for the players we will draft and develop under him.
Pendergast's defenses tend to allow over 400 points. Only (I think) six teams in NFL history have ever made the playoffs allowing that many points, and only one has gone to the Superbowl (Arizona last season).
No... he's bad.
As far as Muir... our best offensive linemen have taken a clear step backwards this season. There are plays where our offensive line literally looks like they don't know WHO they're supposed to block.... actually that's most plays. Why are they so confused?
The quality of players who develop under a position coach are the only measurable way to judge them.
I know people like Muir because he 'yells a lot' and most people seem to think that's all it takes to be a good coach (see the 2-3 season of circle jerking around Krumrie) but he's done nothing in his career to give me high expectations for the players we will draft and develop under him.
I agree with you 100%. I was never happy about getting Pendergast. I see him as a Greg Robinson type of coordinator that likes to give up 15 yards but not give up huge plays. Teams will just get 5-15 yards every play. As far as Muir...I don't know, but our linemen look lost and overmatched against every single team we play. They don't seem to know how to pick up blitzes at all. No teamwork either along that line. Didn't those assholes ever play red rover as a kid? They probably did play that and got called for holding every time.
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Posted 30 September 2009 - 12:51 AM
I was gonna state that Gunther left to coach the Lions defense (yes, the lions who have won a game) but, they are worse in just about every catagory than the Chiefs so ......ummm.....never mind.
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cbuschief, on 30 September 2009 - 12:51 AM, said:
I was gonna state that Gunther left to coach the Lions defense (yes, the lions who have won a game) but, they are worse in just about every catagory than the Chiefs so ......ummm.....never mind.
They're beating us in the category that matters most.
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The_Jonas, on 29 September 2009 - 03:03 PM, said:
Pendergast is terrible.
Pendergast's defenses tend to allow over 400 points. Only (I think) six teams in NFL history have ever made the playoffs allowing that many points, and only one has gone to the Superbowl (Arizona last season).
No... he's bad.
As far as Muir... our best offensive linemen have taken a clear step backwards this season. There are plays where our offensive line literally looks like they don't know WHO they're supposed to block.... actually that's most plays. Why are they so confused?
The quality of players who develop under a position coach are the only measurable way to judge them.
I know people like Muir because he 'yells a lot' and most people seem to think that's all it takes to be a good coach (see the 2-3 season of circle jerking around Krumrie) but he's done nothing in his career to give me high expectations for the players we will draft and develop under him.
Pendergast's defenses tend to allow over 400 points. Only (I think) six teams in NFL history have ever made the playoffs allowing that many points, and only one has gone to the Superbowl (Arizona last season).
No... he's bad.
As far as Muir... our best offensive linemen have taken a clear step backwards this season. There are plays where our offensive line literally looks like they don't know WHO they're supposed to block.... actually that's most plays. Why are they so confused?
The quality of players who develop under a position coach are the only measurable way to judge them.
I know people like Muir because he 'yells a lot' and most people seem to think that's all it takes to be a good coach (see the 2-3 season of circle jerking around Krumrie) but he's done nothing in his career to give me high expectations for the players we will draft and develop under him.
This proves that you know nothing about Bill Muir's Career then. Absolutely nothing. And I dont know where you got the "people like him because he yells a lot", but I didn't hear him yell at all during camp.
A 44 year coach in football, and us experts here think we have it ALL FIGURED OUT DONT WE???? Gimme a f&*king break.
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BarryinStlouis, on 29 September 2009 - 10:05 AM, said:
32 years in the NFL Nathan. That doesn't happen to bad coaches. Sorry. Saying that a coach hasn't developed enough "big name" players, ergo is worthless, is not an argument I can agree with when it comes to Muir, or Pendergast.
Pioli is no fool. Neither is Haley. I think having a seasoned Oline coach like this will benefit the team in the long run.
I'm surprised nobody commented on my initial remarks. Maybe one of my strongest arguments in a while. ( At least I thought )
Pioli is no fool. Neither is Haley. I think having a seasoned Oline coach like this will benefit the team in the long run.
I'm surprised nobody commented on my initial remarks. Maybe one of my strongest arguments in a while. ( At least I thought )
Someone gave me negative feedback for this post? It all makes sense doesn't it? Exactly.
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Posted 30 September 2009 - 09:34 AM
BarryinStlouis, on 30 September 2009 - 09:03 AM, said:
This proves that you know nothing about Bill Muir's Career then. Absolutely nothing. And I dont know where you got the "people like him because he yells a lot", but I didn't hear him yell at all during camp.
A 44 year coach in football, and us experts here think we have it ALL FIGURED OUT DONT WE???? Gimme a f&*king break.
A 44 year coach in football, and us experts here think we have it ALL FIGURED OUT DONT WE???? Gimme a f&*king break.
And this one proves that you're a Bill Muir fanboy. Come on Barry, really...provide a backing argument for your comments instead of making broad sweeping allegations that you have no idea if they're based in fact or not.
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Posted 30 September 2009 - 12:41 PM
BarryinStlouis, on 30 September 2009 - 09:03 AM, said:
This proves that you know nothing about Bill Muir's Career then. Absolutely nothing. And I dont know where you got the "people like him because he yells a lot", but I didn't hear him yell at all during camp.
A 44 year coach in football, and us experts here think we have it ALL FIGURED OUT DONT WE???? Gimme a f&*king break.
A 44 year coach in football, and us experts here think we have it ALL FIGURED OUT DONT WE???? Gimme a f&*king break.
As I said:
The players developed under a position coach (and to add) the overall play of the OL while that coach is there is the ONLY MEASURABLE WAY to gauge their contribution.
Just being a coach for a long time doesn't prove anything other than you're good enough to keep finding work. That doesn't mean you excel at that job.
PS: Larry Johnson is washed up.
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Posted 30 September 2009 - 01:01 PM
Plus one on the LJ aka Leon comment.
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The_Jonas, on 30 September 2009 - 12:41 PM, said:
You know nothing about everything, so don't throw stones.
As I said:
The players developed under a position coach (and to add) the overall play of the OL while that coach is there is the ONLY MEASURABLE WAY to gauge their contribution.
Just being a coach for a long time doesn't prove anything other than you're good enough to keep finding work. That doesn't mean you excel at that job.
PS: Larry Johnson is washed up.
As I said:
The players developed under a position coach (and to add) the overall play of the OL while that coach is there is the ONLY MEASURABLE WAY to gauge their contribution.
Just being a coach for a long time doesn't prove anything other than you're good enough to keep finding work. That doesn't mean you excel at that job.
PS: Larry Johnson is washed up.
Ol Hermie is a perfect example of that.
Larry is frustrating to me this year. He shows flashes of his former self, but that's it. He's so inconsistent, it's no wonder he doesn't stay out all three downs.
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ChiefInAdel, on 30 September 2009 - 01:02 PM, said:
Ol Hermie is a perfect example of that.
So is Gunther
It amazes me how long weve had inept DC's from G-rob to Gunther to Pendergrast
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ChiefInAdel, on 30 September 2009 - 09:34 AM, said:
And this one proves that you're a Bill Muir fanboy. Come on Barry, really...provide a backing argument for your comments instead of making broad sweeping allegations that you have no idea if they're based in fact or not.
I believe that would be at the top of this thread? Did anyone read that post? Apparently not.
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