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Hello guys.  It's been awhile, good seeing you all again. I'm hearing Arizona State is interested in hiring him, that's the reason I ask I'm personally a UCLA fan.  That aside, from what I remember, Vermeil left the team in ruins, defense was horrible besides Jared Allen, and the offense was built on aging talent like Trent Green/Eddie Kennison/Tony Gonzalez/Willie Roaf/Will Shields/Larry Johnson that quickly started declining or outright retired right when Herm got in.  My question is:

1.  What did you think of him as a coach?

2.  How well was he finding young talent for the rebuild?  

3.  Was he a victim of circumstance?
1) Y'know how some coaches just really never should be the Head Coach of a team?  IMO, that's Herm.

2) He seemed to do okay.

3) Nope. Because Andy Reid walked into a similar situation and turned it around immediately.
1) Not good. He did not seem to be good at scheme. He was thought of more as a motivator, but there's some legitimate question if he was actually any good at it or just an easy guy to like personally.

2) I think Carl Peterson and his staff did most of the talent evaluation and acquisition. Hard to say, though he is a former scout.

3) No. He had lost all confidence from the fans and by appearances many of the players as well long before he was let go.

Overall, he's been out of football for a while and has never coached a college team. That being said, I think he'd be an excellent recruiter (former scout, very likeable, big name). He'd have to have good assistant coaches and, more importantly, not meddle in things outside of his specialties. I think he'd be a better college coach than a pro coach.

Would I want him as my head coach? Not unless the team was garbage. I think he's one of those good transition coaches, a guy that can help rebuild a team's talent base, big name to bring back some prestige, and at least win a few games, but I wouldn't predict conference championships even after he got all of his players and system in place. In fact, I'd expect mediocrity at best.
He is their head coach now... I guess we will see if his style works better in college.
Didnt want him here when he got the job.  Was glad to see him go
In my opinion you can't ask any chiefs fan because they are all judging him based on tthe compensation the chiefs gave up to get him. They didn't like him from that moment. 

That said, I think he was great at some things. Included talent evaluation of young players. I don't know that he was the greatest head coach (his record would suggest not) but I think he was better than most chiefs fans will give him credot for. 


I haven't been a chiefs fan long enough to have experienced the only coach that is well regarded by chiefs fans unless you count vermeil and most fans I know don't even really view him kindly because of how he left the chiefs, and one sided the team was while he was here.
(11-29-2017, 10:50 PM)Mr.Smartass2U Wrote: [ -> ]Hello guys.  It's been awhile, good seeing you all again. I'm hearing Arizona State is interested in hiring him, that's the reason I ask I'm personally a UCLA fan.  That aside, from what I remember, Vermeil left the team in ruins, defense was horrible besides Jared Allen, and the offense was built on aging talent like Trent Green/Eddie Kennison/Tony Gonzalez/Willie Roaf/Will Shields/Larry Johnson that quickly started declining or outright retired right when Herm got in.  My question is:

1.  What did you think of him as a coach?

2.  How well was he finding young talent for the rebuild?  

3.  Was he a victim of circumstance?

1.  I think he was among the worst coaches Kc has had, and I routinely called him a fraud. 

2.  Terribly.  He hit on a few first rounders and in about 3 years managed to bring in about 4-6 good players of varying quality.  He did have the luxury of having a ton of draft picks in a very deep 2008 draft due to trading Jared Allen, and he managed to nab a few good players (Charles, Flowers, Carr).  The team continually declined under his 'leadership' and never showed any signs of turning it around after he moved on from DV's leftovers.  He refused to really take advantage of free agency.  Had a 4-12 and 2-14 team that had first pick over waiver wire players (a great way to turn a team around is fill holes with these players).  No attempt was really made to find a QB.  They spent 1 3rd rounder and pulled a guy off of Waivers (Thigpen) and that's it.  Made no attempt to find a QB after Green.  

DV didn't leave the team in ruins, but he knew their window was going to slam shut quickly.   Herm knew that too.  Herm rode that talent to the playoffs.  He won 6 games with his guys and the team had no identity whatsoever.  He had no vision for what he was building.  Fans knew what was coming, but fans also expect progress.  

3.  I've seen plenty of coaches take competitive  aging teams and make a transition by keeping select veterans, acquiring new talent, ensuring the most important positions are filled.  Herm just blew it up all at once and tried the 'let's basically become an expansion team' method of rebuilding that works exactly never.

But I don't have to say it.  I'll let Herm's own words define his offensive philosophy.  

"When we score seven points, I’ll say we’re slow starting. If we score 21 points, I’ll say, ‘Whoa, we scored a lot of points.’ Twenty-one points – that’s a lot of points. Thirty points? That isn’t even a football game. That’s Arena Football. We’re talking about real football.”

Or how about Herm when media challenges him on his team's failures, which is to explain to KC fans that they're spoiled by all of the awesome success of the franchise

“People aren’t used to this in Kansas City. Get over it! It happens. It’s called life. You can’t think you’re too big that it’s not going to happen to you. It happens to everybody."

Man, I'll never get tired of unloading on that clown.  I needed that.  KC is stinking, but there's just nobody on the team I hate as I hated Herm Edwards.  
(11-30-2017, 05:13 PM)tyecopeland Wrote: [ -> ]In my opinion you can't ask any chiefs fan because they are all judging him based on tthe compensation the chiefs gave up to get him. They didn't like him from that moment. 

That said, I think he was great at some things. Included talent evaluation of young players. I don't know that he was the greatest head coach (his record would suggest not) but I think he was better than most chiefs fans will give him credot for. 


I haven't been a chiefs fan long enough to have experienced the only coach that is well regarded by chiefs fans unless you count vermeil and most fans I know don't even really view him kindly because of how he left the chiefs, and one sided the team was while he was here.
That myth fascinates me.

What did Herm do that made him a great talent evaluator?  Herm had 26 draft picks in KC.  2008 was an incredibly deep draft, and most of his good picks came on the back of the Jared Allen trade.  

2006 draft was meh.. .but we did land Hali.  2007 was a freaking disaster with everyone but Bowe quickly flaming out.  

2008 was an insanely deep draft.  Charles AND flowers were first round talents than fell into our lap.  I don't really want to give him much credit for that.

He gets full credit for Brandon Carr though.  For whatever that's worth.
(11-30-2017, 08:28 PM)The_Jonas Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-29-2017, 10:50 PM)Mr.Smartass2U Wrote: [ -> ]Hello guys.  It's been awhile, good seeing you all again. I'm hearing Arizona State is interested in hiring him, that's the reason I ask I'm personally a UCLA fan.  That aside, from what I remember, Vermeil left the team in ruins, defense was horrible besides Jared Allen, and the offense was built on aging talent like Trent Green/Eddie Kennison/Tony Gonzalez/Willie Roaf/Will Shields/Larry Johnson that quickly started declining or outright retired right when Herm got in.  My question is:

1.  What did you think of him as a coach?

2.  How well was he finding young talent for the rebuild?  

3.  Was he a victim of circumstance?

1.  I think he was among the worst coaches Kc has had, and I routinely called him a fraud. 

2.  Terribly.  He hit on a few first rounders and in about 3 years managed to bring in about 4-6 good players of varying quality.  He did have the luxury of having a ton of draft picks in a very deep 2008 draft due to trading Jared Allen, and he managed to nab a few good players (Charles, Flowers, Carr).  The team continually declined under his 'leadership' and never showed any signs of turning it around after he moved on from DV's leftovers.  He refused to really take advantage of free agency.  Had a 4-12 and 2-14 team that had first pick over waiver wire players (a great way to turn a team around is fill holes with these players).  No attempt was really made to find a QB.  They spent 1 3rd rounder and pulled a guy off of Waivers (Thigpen) and that's it.  Made no attempt to find a QB after Green.  

DV didn't leave the team in ruins, but he knew their window was going to slam shut quickly.   Herm knew that too.  Herm rode that talent to the playoffs.  He won 6 games with his guys and the team had no identity whatsoever.  He had no vision for what he was building.  Fans knew what was coming, but fans also expect progress.  

3.  I've seen plenty of coaches take competitive  aging teams and make a transition by keeping select veterans, acquiring new talent, ensuring the most important positions are filled.  Herm just blew it up all at once and tried the 'let's basically become an expansion team' method of rebuilding that works exactly never.

But I don't have to say it.  I'll let Herm's own words define his offensive philosophy.  

"When we score seven points, I’ll say we’re slow starting. If we score 21 points, I’ll say, ‘Whoa, we scored a lot of points.’ Twenty-one points – that’s a lot of points. Thirty points? That isn’t even a football game. That’s Arena Football. We’re talking about real football.”

Or how about Herm when media challenges him on his team's failures, which is to explain to KC fans that they're spoiled by all of the awesome success of the franchise

“People aren’t used to this in Kansas City. Get over it! It happens. It’s called life. You can’t think you’re too big that it’s not going to happen to you. It happens to everybody."

Man, I'll never get tired of unloading on that clown.  I needed that.  KC is stinking, but there's just nobody on the team I hate as I hated Herm Edwards.  

Thanks man.  This is why I didn't reply.  I knew you'd articulate all my frustrations better than I could or would anyway.

Vermeil did not leave this team in ruins.  That particular bullshit story blows my mind.  That team carried Herm to the playoffs even after Trent Green's tragic murder.

Fuck Herm Edwards man.  Fuck him.
I had no idea there was a perception that Vermeil left the team in ruins.
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